Mac-11 vs mac-10?
 

I was wondering what was a better gun? I've found a mac-10 for 350$ and a mac-11 for 700$. Which one is more reliable and more accurate?

Not a real MAC you didn't. Maybe a semi auto reproduction junker. Not that the real MAC's are anything other than junk themselves. As far as your question, one is a 9mm and the other is a .45. That was the only difference between the 10 and 11. Both are the same stamped sheet metal junk auto pistol made famous in the movies and tv shows.

that's right, a real one will cost a bunch more, as there class 3 weapons
have shot both and owned a few of each over the yrs
there simple things that work well, with decent mags and ammo!
there much more enjoyable to shoot with a suppressor on them which you can hold onto

in semi form? there nothing special , and doubt either one would be more accurate than the other short barrels here?
as for what one will work better/be more reliable?
again, pick of the liter here, as well as you need good mags and then decent power ammo to cycle well!
never really had any issue's with either one being all too picky, but mags were at times a issue
sold(had gun shop) both semi and full auto's of these!
and to me neither is worth the money to buy!

I also saw an uzi styled gun for 900$. What do y'all think about that? It's semi auto.

That is about $850.00 more than it is worth. Why waste your money on a cheap semi auto reproduction that isn't fit for anything but wasting ammo? Hunters life and mrbb gave you correct information.

Okay, for one, something styled after an UZI wouldn't be a rifle. They are classed as pistols. The full autos are machine pistols. If you are into collecting as you say, you have a lot to learn. Even an UZI with the collapsible stock is still considered a pistol. These firearms you are looking at have no collectible value whatsoever. They are imitations of something again made famous in Hollywood.

well YES and NO, on the collectable side of these things
UZI's have a A and B model and the price's vary, and they have climbed a bunch since they came out
as for MAC 10's, the real one's have sort of leveled out on BIG jumps in prices(a guy bought a boat load of them before they went class 3 for 7 bucks each way back when LOL)
and seen some go for a few grand to some guys willing to dish it out, so for that first guy, from 7 bucks to a few grand in say 30 yrs or so(and NO he didn;'t still have them all) , they were great investments.
the same can be said on UZI"S many of the originals, in great condition have jumped in prices from when new and out there to now.(all the more so full auto's)
But again, these are the REAL one's NOT copies of them, that tend to have value, and , about ANY class 3 item will ONLY go up in value, they have climbed since the day there were limited to what's out there.

all guns can have Value, just NOT many really climb upwards fast or at all, mostly buying guns is about a hobby! or for hunting/protection
which none of these you listed are very great at, full auto MAc 10's are about 33 rounds a second I think if my memory is correct? so, your going to run out of ammo real fast and your just spraying more or less!

the cheap copies tend to be that cheap, and again NONE were designed to be very accurate!

if you look at the market on AR's as an example
the original, so called PER ban, colts and major makers held more value than lower end copy's of them
but now the market is flooded with these things, and prices on some range from a few grand to the cheaper one's a few hundred
but the right one's again will always hold MORE value.
when ever you get into collecting guns, its about just that collecting and NOT shooting them, to be honest!
you need to learn what makes certain one's more valuable and desirable, to be sure they hold value and HOPE they climb in value's

the condition of guns add up too, a lot of variable's to collecting anything to be in the PLUS side of the game and NOT just having a bunch of things YOU like

I was referring to the semi auto repro's mrbb. Not class 3 firearms. The ones he is looking at are obviously repro semi's and pretty much junk with only value to someone that wants repro semi junk or naive enough to think they have value. Whenever we are tasked with clients that may need a fully armed team, we carry either MP5's or M4's with both on 3 round select. Never been in a position for the need for suppression fire which that is all full auto is really good for anyway.

hunters_life, I agree, and for sure NOT tryuing to make a debate here, just giving some info here!
the cheap repo's don't have much value to them, so fully agree with you!

but over the yrs many things have gone nuts, look at SP89's, they climbed like mad in value and just the semi version of the MP-5's,or even look at the some what cheaper clones of them like the kel tec (tec 9's)version of it
the media mad them soar in price/value.and they for sure were not anything special!


so, as I sad, some times even the junk can go higher if things get the media going enough to drive prices up, even if there still junk>?
its a crazy world, never know what will jump in prices
all the semi auto stuff sadly has a shot, pending what ends up with them down the road

Take street sweepers, at one time a over the counter shotgun< and again, nothing that great anyone would want to really carry?? But they too went into the class 3 market for reasons< I still don't get to be honest! there only a semi auto gun?
media and what not's cam make things become valuable, even if me and you think there junk HAHA!
I still cannot believe how many people collect old NIKE sneakers and the prices they pay for them, >< its a crazy world we now live in!

What makes it junk? The fact that it's semi auto? Or that it doesn't cost a lot of money? I'm not buying it because I think it will rise in value, I'm buying it because it seems like they would be fun to shoot and it doesn't cost a whole lot of money compared to the real thing. It seems like It would only be considered junk if it was really inaccurate or it jammed a lot.

I probably should have said reproductions of millitary rifles or pistols because the real ones cost to much and I don't feel like getting a class 3 license. I'm pretty sure if it's considered a pistol you can't have a grip or a stock but I don't really remember.

I have a wasr 10, vz 24 mauser, and a tokarev pistol. Well the vz 24 and the tokarev are old.

My thinking is they are pretty much useless. To big and heavy for a holster to carry as a backup to a rifle. On my useful scale they rate below a pistol.

For the same money you can get a carbine (or asshalt rifle), many not as accurate as a full sized rifle, but more accurate than most pistols with a longer useful range.

Spray and pray noise makers have a limited utility IMO.

I had a chance to buy a pre 1944 M-3 grease gun for a few hundred dollars and passed. A fairly high novelty factor (that would likely have worn off fast), but I'd shot them before and found them to be generally useless. :)

well first off, many actual military rifles and pistols are NOT that costly(look at m1 carbines, AK 47(semi's) AR 15-s(again semi's)
beretta 92's, 1911's and so on, there all basically averaged preiced weapons, conditions and name of maker will be the deciding factor more on HOW expensive they can be or , how collectible they will be
but if all you want is a gun that LOOKS like the real one, these are better options

you can get into SKS"s, and many other earlier military weapons for rather cheap, Think Mauser 98's,Mosin-Nagent , and the likes here!
I think you need to maybe look into what your interested a little better, NOT bashing on you, just trying to give you honest info here, there are a LOT of better guns out there than the MAC 10-11's
BUT they can be fun guns, just they don't have any real use for 99% of there owners , other than wasting ammo!
the above guns I mentioned, have more use, they can be target guns, and some will increase in value MAYBE over time, and there are a LOT out there in REAL NOT copied form yet!

second, there is NO licence to buy and own a class 3 weapon, that is bad info that has been out there for yrs and yrs
if you wish to buy and sell, you would need a dealers licence, but there is no licence to OWN one as a private citizen
if there legal where you live, its just different paperwork you fill out, if you legally can own a handgun , you can legally own a class 3 weapon(again if legal in your state) there is NO licence you have to buy, there IS a $200.00 tax per item when you buy it, its a ONE time fee, OR untill the next person buys it again!
then they will also pay a $200.00 tax on the item!

what tends to make them JUNK to a lot of shooters is,(and this is MY opinion and guess) they are simply stamped sheet metal, made of cheap materials and well, there rather crude things
they don't have classic details or workman ship in them.
however,
yes they can be fun to dump mags, but there rather very un accurate, so again all your doing is wasting ammo, and that FUN factor wears out pretty quick , when there again isn't much real use for it
if you like to just hear things go BANG BANG BANG< firecrackers might be cheaper yet LOL
AGAIN not bashing on you, as there is NOTHING wrong with having what you want, but when you say collectible military firearms, these copies are NOT really in that game!

An sks was also on my list of guns to buy along with an ar. I have an ak and a mauser. My brother was thinking about selling his mosin so I might get that to. But I kind of wanted a Mac even if it is a semi automatic piece of junk.

AR prices are as low as they've ever been. You can get an entry-level carbine for $400, or something pretty darn nice for $800. So, for about the same money, you could have something accurate and reliable...and useful. I'd probably go that route, unless that MAC 10 has some kind of special collector appeal to you. They do look cool, and I don't really like to knock on any one's personal choice of firearms, but they are what they are. And they are definitely cheap stamped junkers.

It's not like I can't get both an ar15 and a mac10. The point of the thread was to find out if a mac10 45 acp was better than a ma11 9mm.

That is like asking which tastes better spoiled meat or sour milk. The folks here are trying to tell you that both are a waste of money. Of course the choice is yours if you want one.

well, maybe the way to look at this will be this way, since I've owned both, 9 mm -45, and they both worked just fine in both full auto versions and semi(pending mags mostly and ammo)
and since they mostly just spit ammo down range
if you wish to buy one, buy the 9, ammo will be cheaper for you to shoot it?
was at Cabela's yesterday and they had decent 9 mm on sale 10 bucks a box LOL


if you want one have at it, just don't think its a collectible like military gun, its just a gun, and with that, if you want one, get one, its your life, enjoy it how you like!

Mounted with a good light or laser they could be a decent room broom for a zero dark thirty home invasion. Other than that, I really can't think of any use for one.

The major problem IMO is they just don't point well or naturally and fully loaded are pretty darned heavy, as heavy as many full sized rifles.

I've picked off hundreds, if not thousands, of Jack Rabbits and Hares, they tend to accelerate fast, bob and weave a lot. I have no doubt I can instinct shoot a shotgun well. At zero dark thirty I tend to stick with what I know and something that aims and points as naturally as possible.

The first shot out of my home defense shotgun is an ounce of gas checks packed into a semi magnum shell with the shot cup removed and a flat wad. Throws a fairly wide pattern at short distances. Near a hundred red hot 7 grain Frisbees traveling at around 1200 FPS.

From what I've read here, I think the overwhelming answer is that it doesn't matter. They're not quality firearms in any way. They're designed to be cheap, mass produced "spray and pray" type weapons. Absent the full-auto feature, they serve no practical purpose whatsoever. Sure, you can use them as fancy plinkers, but you can do that with literally any firearm you desire. However, being that they are heavy, kinda clunky, and not particularly accurate, I can only assume that the plinking would eventually get boring eventually.

So - the only real value in something like a MAC 10 would be whatever value you give it as part of your collection. Personally, I don't have room in my collection for something that doesn't shoot well or, at the very least, represent some kind of milestone in the history of firearms. That's just me. So, you need to think about what kinda collection you want, and how you want to spend your money. We've all given our opinions on it, so now you gotta decide for yourself if you want that sort of thing in your collection. Is it something that's gonna be fun for 5 minutes, before you regret buying it? or is it something that you can enjoy just for what it is?