Classic Cartridges
01-15-2017, 05:31 PM
#2
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: ****ifornia
Posts: 5,052
Depends on my mood at the time...lol
For the most part, not many wildcats can do THAT much more then factory stuff these days...the production stuff has stepped up their game the last decade and even more so the last 2 years...and people are still chasing ol Roy Weatherby many decades later!
For the most part, not many wildcats can do THAT much more then factory stuff these days...the production stuff has stepped up their game the last decade and even more so the last 2 years...and people are still chasing ol Roy Weatherby many decades later!
01-15-2017, 09:02 PM
#4
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Kansas
Posts: 3,902
I guess it depends what you consider to be "classic."
What do you really want the rifle to do? A Honda Civic will get you to work, but a Mercedes S-Class will get you there in greater comfort, or a Ford F-150 will tow your boat to the lake on the weekend... What do you really want it to do?
If I'm hunting Pronghorn at 600yrds, a 100-140grn bullet with a BC of 0.4-0.55 doing 2800-3200fps is all I need. If I'm calling coyotes at 0-200 normal and begging shots at 400yrds, a 50-70grn bullet at 2750+ is all I really need. If I wanna stay super-sonic to ring steel past 1500yrds, I know I need a lot of case capacity and a super slippery pill, and the "classics" like 308win, 30-06, 257bob, etc don't really keep up with some of the more over-bored cartridges available.
For many of us in the next generation of old guys, 300win mag and 7mm RM are classics. While not as fabled as the great 30-06, they've been around a goodly stretch and have earned their credentials. The pulse dial phone was new technology to my generation, so we didn't have a concept of how a telephone operator really used to work - familiar context for the generation before us. Comparatively, my young son Lil' NM won't have any concept of a land-line connected telephone, so pulse dialing, let alone rotary dialing will be only the stuff of legend.
Similarly, with AR's as mainstream as they are today, and most modern cartridges running around 2,900-3,200fps with relatively heavy for bore bullets running super high BC's and poly tipped bullets, I assume 20yrs from now, or 40yrs from now, Lil' NM's friends who might not grow up with fathers with collections like mine will not have any concept of what hunting is like with a 154grn Round Nose trucking a paltry 2400fps out of a 7mm Mauser.
Personally, I like challenging myself, so I'll continue to shoot faster and more aerodynamic cartridges specifically tailored to my application.
What do you really want the rifle to do? A Honda Civic will get you to work, but a Mercedes S-Class will get you there in greater comfort, or a Ford F-150 will tow your boat to the lake on the weekend... What do you really want it to do?
If I'm hunting Pronghorn at 600yrds, a 100-140grn bullet with a BC of 0.4-0.55 doing 2800-3200fps is all I need. If I'm calling coyotes at 0-200 normal and begging shots at 400yrds, a 50-70grn bullet at 2750+ is all I really need. If I wanna stay super-sonic to ring steel past 1500yrds, I know I need a lot of case capacity and a super slippery pill, and the "classics" like 308win, 30-06, 257bob, etc don't really keep up with some of the more over-bored cartridges available.
For many of us in the next generation of old guys, 300win mag and 7mm RM are classics. While not as fabled as the great 30-06, they've been around a goodly stretch and have earned their credentials. The pulse dial phone was new technology to my generation, so we didn't have a concept of how a telephone operator really used to work - familiar context for the generation before us. Comparatively, my young son Lil' NM won't have any concept of a land-line connected telephone, so pulse dialing, let alone rotary dialing will be only the stuff of legend.
Similarly, with AR's as mainstream as they are today, and most modern cartridges running around 2,900-3,200fps with relatively heavy for bore bullets running super high BC's and poly tipped bullets, I assume 20yrs from now, or 40yrs from now, Lil' NM's friends who might not grow up with fathers with collections like mine will not have any concept of what hunting is like with a 154grn Round Nose trucking a paltry 2400fps out of a 7mm Mauser.
Personally, I like challenging myself, so I'll continue to shoot faster and more aerodynamic cartridges specifically tailored to my application.
01-16-2017, 08:36 AM
#5
Fork Horn
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: US South
Posts: 444
Different people will describe "Classic" differently.
I tend toward "Classic" rifle cartridges.
Don't really have an operative definition of my own.
But, the newest rifle cartridge I have ever owned was introduced in 1956.
AND I still have most BG hunting situations covered!!!
I tend toward "Classic" rifle cartridges.
Don't really have an operative definition of my own.
But, the newest rifle cartridge I have ever owned was introduced in 1956.
AND I still have most BG hunting situations covered!!!
01-16-2017, 02:09 PM
#7
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: south eastern PA
Posts: 15,429
My classic cartridge is the 45-70 and my semi modern one is the .308. I like them both, I have laid more deer than I have counted low with it but I have been using the 45-70 exclusively for the last 5 years just because I like it. Both calibers are winners.
01-16-2017, 02:27 PM
#8
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,695
Been wildcatting for 50+ years yet I almost always seem to fall back on my good old .30-06 for most all of my Elk+ sized game and my little old 7mm-08 (which I was loading for WAY before 1985) for my whitetail hunting and occasionally Elk. Hogs on the other hand, .458SOCOM, 6.8SPC, 7mm.08 , and .338FED get the most use. All AR platforms. And Jeep and NoMercy have alerted me to the new 6mm CREED that has gotten my interest a little bit. Looks like another AR10 build may be in the near future.
01-16-2017, 08:49 PM
#9
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: IL
Posts: 6,575
I don't reload, so my philosophy has get the best most popular available.
I may reload or be able to order up enough ammo for any specialty rifle/load I want use in the future.
I think some of us reinvent the wheel sometimes.
Weatherby ammo will be around/available
the 270 and 300 wsm I believe will be around/ here to stay.
If you need more gun than a 243, 270 300win mag, 375 H&H etc... someone once said step up in caliber etc... getting a wildcat that shoots the same bullet 100-200fps faster isn't really going to kill any quicker/better.
I think there are so many widely available options out there to choose from that for my own personal needs, choosing exotics that are difficult to find or having to handload don't appeal that much to me.
Although honestly nowadays, you can custom load enough hunting bullets and you can plink with some more common stuff if need be.
I may reload or be able to order up enough ammo for any specialty rifle/load I want use in the future.
I think some of us reinvent the wheel sometimes.
Weatherby ammo will be around/available
the 270 and 300 wsm I believe will be around/ here to stay.
If you need more gun than a 243, 270 300win mag, 375 H&H etc... someone once said step up in caliber etc... getting a wildcat that shoots the same bullet 100-200fps faster isn't really going to kill any quicker/better.
I think there are so many widely available options out there to choose from that for my own personal needs, choosing exotics that are difficult to find or having to handload don't appeal that much to me.
Although honestly nowadays, you can custom load enough hunting bullets and you can plink with some more common stuff if need be.
01-17-2017, 03:43 AM
#10
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: MICHIGAN
Posts: 2,568
For Northern Michigan the real classics are the 30-30, 35 Remington, Winchester32 special, 300/303 savage. Mostly in a leaver action like the Marlins and Winchester along with the Savage 99. One hunting partner used a 760 Remington in 35, another had a Stevens in 30-30 yet another one used his grand dads Savage 99 in 303 savage.
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