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Mr. Slim 12-12-2014 12:16 PM

ive got a question about the recall. I have an old Remington model 721 300 H&H mag. would this gun be involved in the recall too?

RaySendero 12-13-2014 03:07 AM

Well guys,

I've never been able to make/trick these 2 older Remington triggers into miss-firing. So my gut tells me not to fix something that's not broke.

I see recalls on some of the newer Remington triggers plus the Jewell's are reported to produce a miss-fire situation, too. Have a Timney in my Mauser - Its a good trigger.

For me, I'll never rely on a mechanical safety - I'll put my trust in safe gun handling.
If I were to pass these rifles on to family, I'll replace with a Timney like top says.

Topgun 3006 12-13-2014 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by RaySendero (Post 4175021)
Well guys,

I've never been able to make/trick these 2 older Remington triggers into miss-firing. So my gut tells me not to fix something that's not broke.

I see recalls on some of the newer Remington triggers plus the Jewell's are reported to produce a miss-fire situation, too. Have a Timney in my Mauser - Its a good trigger.

For me, I'll never rely on a mechanical safety - I'll put my trust in safe gun handling.
If I were to pass these rifles on to family, I'll replace with a Timney like top says.

I understand why you say what you are, but that's the whole problem in that misfires can't be replicated even in ones that have had a misfire, which is scary and leads people to your way of thinking. Any gun will misfire like you mentioned if they are tinkered with by someone that doesn't know what they're doing. Never rely on the safety like you mentioned, but what appears to be safe gun handling can still lead to problems with these Walker triggers and I'm glad if you pass yours on that the triggers will be replaced. Incidentally, not many factory guns will shoot like your pictures even with a trigger job. Did you do anything else (bedding, etc.) to get that kind of accuracy?

gjersy 12-13-2014 03:38 PM

Hey ridge runner i love your 1846 gun! The damn Lawyers cause a lot of problems in the good old USA. They will find problems with absolutely anything, and sue for a recall. We don't need gun control we need PUNK CONTROL!

RaySendero 12-14-2014 03:13 AM


Originally Posted by Topgun 3006 (Post 4175068)
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Any gun will misfire like you mentioned if they are tinkered with by someone that doesn't know what they're doing. .....


Ya know top, These older Remington triggers are adjustable - They have the same 3 adjustment screws (in the same locations) as a Timney. Remington just "loctited" these screws in place at the factory and provided no instructions other than stated a policy of don't try to adjust them. I, too, wonder if the root cause of a good portion of the misfires were due to someone "tinkering" with these setting?






Originally Posted by Topgun 3006 (Post 4175068)
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Did you do anything else (bedding, etc.) to get that kind of accuracy?


No - Basically factory M700s. One has the factory stock, the other has an after market stock - Both synthetic.

Topgun 3006 12-14-2014 06:09 AM

I have no doubt that a number of misfires have been caused by home tinkering or lack of cleaning. However, there are tons of people out there that say they never made any attempts to adjust them and they went off. You sure have a couple shooters and if they were mine they would be changed now, but that's your choice and I can understand your reluctance to do so the way they shoot. It's obvious to me that everything else on them is what's making them shoot like they do and any good aftermarket trigger shouldn't change that one bit. Have a good one!!!

falcon 12-14-2014 07:29 AM

There are 19 Remington model 721, 722 and 700 rifles in my gun safes: Together they have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds. None have ever gone bang unless they were supposed to. None will be going to Remington for their "fix".

Topgun 3006 12-14-2014 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by falcon (Post 4175196)
There are 19 Remington model 721, 722 and 700 rifles in my gun safes: Together they have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds. None have ever gone bang unless they were supposed to. None will be going to Remington for their "fix".


Only
19 waiting to go bang when they shouldn't! The odds would appear to be against you on this one, but I also wouldn't send anything to them for a fix, LOL! Just do like a lot of others are saying and don't pay any attention to this and just pray for the best!!!

Ridge Runner 12-14-2014 01:57 PM

when I think about this, my thoughts are
1) none of mine have ever done this
2) neither have anyone in my shooting circle, I also know these guys know they're way around rifles
3) never in any of my research checking out thousands of smiths who specialize tuning, accurising, and rebuilding 700's have there been any mention of the trigger being unsafe if correctly adjusted.
4) there is the home tinkering thought, and a lot of folks have no business tinkering with an empty ketchup bottle let alone a trigger, perhaps there could be a lack of training at the plant or they could be in need of labor so bad they let poor ability slip through the cracks, I know lives are on the line but I have worked with folks who were reasonably intelligent but every day they came to work was like the first day on the job, some you could train every day 8 hrs. a day to adjust a trigger for 6 months, they still would not touch mine
5) before top has a coronary cause we know, we heard, walker made an interview, we also heard he lost his pension, why? do we know all the facts? is it politics? I'll bet politics is involved.
reguardless of all these, everytime someone has been shot on accident with a 700 or any other rifle the main rules of safe firearms handleing were broken. of the cases I read all of them immediately after the accident said they never touched the trigger, they had a loaded firearm pointed at another person, so would you believe that they never touched the trigger? but those who had remingtons had an out, Remington established precedence when they started settleing out of court cause it was cheaper.
Now cerabus is big business, I'll guarantee you that its a money making venture to put they're fix on rifles made before they owned the company, between the insurance and the chance to hide the record profits that have rolled in since Obama took office. believe what you will I'll dance with the one that brung me
RR

Topgun 3006 12-14-2014 04:14 PM

RR---No coronary will be caused by this and I hope from nothing else either, LOL! There is no arguing the fact that if most of the people that had them go off when accidents happened had been handling them properly there would not have been injuries or deaths. There may have been some ricochets involved, but it's not possible to know for sure because the plaintiffs agreed in their settlements not to discuss their accident. There may or may not have been lousy cleaning procedures or tinkering with them, as none of us were there to know first hand. All the settlements Remington has made over the years with the stipulation that nothing be said about the incidents sucks, as far as I'm concerned. Also, even worse is the fact that a number of Remington employees stated they were instructed to not make people aware there were other misfires when they called the company with their issue! Finally, there have been many thousands of people with Remingtons that have reported similar misfires and swear they did not touch the trigger and there had been no adjustments attempted on them. If that is true, then that leaves the dirty argument that caused it and even if it did I haven't heard thousands of people complain about any other firearm misfiring like this one does! I'll leave everyone to make their own conclusions why!


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