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strut 10-05-2003 08:22 PM

Gun Tests.
 
I have picked up a copy or 2 of this little publication, looks like it is pretty well unbiased to any gun manufacturer and they seem to tell it just like it is, After reading a copy or 2 I subscribe to it, I think its was just 24 bucks a year, anyone else saw this publication?

Quilly 10-06-2003 04:17 AM

RE: Gun Tests.
 
i have been getting it for about a year now..

good stuf.

eldeguello 10-06-2003 05:20 AM

RE: Gun Tests.
 
Yes, I have saw it! It is unbiased, but they base their rating of a particular gun, and often their rating of a manufactrer, on the test of ONE ITEM! This means their results are valid for the one they tested, but not for any given model by any given manufacturer, and certainly not for a company as a whole! I believe this subject has been beaten to death on at least one if not more forums in the past year or so!!

There are people who buy every evaluation they print, then some of us who are familiar with the world of research and statistical analysis who say their " N" is too small for a valid result. Let' s not do this again!!

JagMagMan 10-06-2003 08:04 AM

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Be it cars, trucks, fourwheelers, or guns, whatever! You can find a magazine that will print raving rewiews about things that in reality are junk!
Really, you can find articles that praise something, and rate it higher than every other product in it' s class! I don' t and won' t trust my decision to some writer that may or may not be getting a payoff from some company to push their product!
Even in most reputable gun magazines, I can' t remember the last time I read a bad review of a gun or scope! Same with trucks and other mags! Advertizing is where they make their money, so they ain' t going to bad-mouth their sponsors!
The best way to find out about guns is to try all of them that you can for yourself, or talk to as many other owners that you can, see what they think.
Also, talk to people who work on these guns, you can find one that is reputable, and not sold out to one manufacturer or another!
Good luck!

strut 10-06-2003 08:06 PM

RE: Gun Tests.
 
Man you guys have just about changed my mind, I think I will tear my check up and not subscribe to it.

aunsaber 10-06-2003 08:28 PM

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I subscribed for years until they tested several 1911' s for a head to head comparison.

In the accuracy test, the guns with the big names i.e. Colt, Kimber etc. had worse groups than some others and yet they played them up to be more accurate.
I did not re-new my subscription.
I do like the fact that they supposedly buy there guns locally instead of having them sent to them by the manufacturers.
But like so many others have said , that is just one gun and not a good cross section of what that manufacturer might make.
Kinda like the rest of the gun evaluations by other magazines.

Vapodog 10-06-2003 08:45 PM

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I USED to be a subscriber

James B 10-06-2003 11:37 PM

RE: Gun Tests.
 
I find thier articles pretty informative. I don,t think your the type to believe everything you read so I would buy it enjoy it and take thier opinions and add them to other factors to help make a decision. There is not a grassy nole in every case.:)

halcon 10-07-2003 12:33 AM

RE: Gun Tests.
 
I do enjoy reading about the latest firearms out thier ,but have found a few that don' t come close to being as good as the review ,Do you think someone would pay them for a biased review. LOL ;)

oldelkhunter 10-07-2003 09:06 AM

RE: Gun Tests.
 
You can go the route I go and that is to handle them in a store ..ignore gunwriters..ignore the clerk behind the counter and take it home and try it out. If it works out keep it if not get rid of it and on to next ...

Ruger-Redhawk 10-08-2003 05:28 PM

RE: Gun Tests.
 
Chances are you' ll never get the truth from any gun mags.They sugar coat all the guns tested.What it boils down to" They' re not going to bite the hand that feeds them" . I agree talk to people who have what you' re intrested in. Ask questions then make your decision from that.The worst ones to believe are the actual gun mfgs.For an example. Look how Remington praised their Model 710 and still do their 597. The 710 was the gun of the future others to be compared to. Well we see the quality of it.Believe only half of what you see and nothing you read(or hear)......
Ruger Redhawk

driftrider 10-08-2003 08:01 PM

RE: Gun Tests.
 
If you think gun reviews and hype is bad, try buying a bow! [:o][X(]

One has to turn their BS Detector up to full power before reading anything regarding archery or archery products, and still risk being duped by the plethora of ad BS and biased reviewing.

Guns, with a few exceptions, aren' t as bad, but bad enough.

I think I got something in the mail from this magazine trying to sell me a subscription. I think they said that the magazine accepts no manufacturer advertising revenue. If that were the case then I' d have a little more faith that the reviews weren' t " Ad biased." That' s not to say that there wouldn' t be personal bias. Take for instance the side-by-side comparison of the various 1911 clones out there mentioned above. The Kimber received a better review than other, more accurate, pistols. Well, my question would be, was the reason personal bias? Or maybe the other merits of the Kimber outweighed the deficiency in accuracy? Were they referring to practical or intrinsic accuracy. Some guns may fire great groups from a rest but may not point and shoot so well from a normal shooting position for a particular person. I for one can shoot my Glock 21 a lot better than any target grade Kimber, just because the Glock fits my hands near perfectly and points like an extension of my arm.

I guess the point is that, for each individual the only unbiased review possible is the one you do yourself.

Mike

maytom 10-10-2003 09:00 AM

RE: Gun Tests.
 
I use to subscribe as well, but let my subscription lapse. For the money, get a yearly subsciption to " Shooting Times" magazine instead.;)

Danny45 10-10-2003 09:23 AM

RE: Gun Tests.
 

Take for instance the side-by-side comparison of the various 1911 clones out there mentioned above. The Kimber received a better review than other, more accurate, pistols. Well, my question would be, was the reason personal bias? Or maybe the other merits of the Kimber outweighed the deficiency in accuracy? Were they referring to practical or intrinsic accuracy. Some guns may fire great groups from a rest but may not point and shoot so well from a normal shooting position for a particular person. I for one can shoot my Glock 21 a lot better than any target grade Kimber, just because the Glock fits my hands near perfectly and points like an extension of my arm.

I guess the point is that, for each individual the only unbiased review possible is the one you do yourself.
Very well said. I' ve owned a number of handguns. Both revolvers and pistols. S&W, Glock, H&K, Sig, EAA Witness, Ruger, Colt, and Kimber. In my hands, the Kimber is the most accurate firearm I' ve ever shot. I' m talking one ragged hole from 15 yards, and never a malfunction. So it all depends on that particular weapon, that particular shooter, and the stars being in perfect alignment.


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