guns and whitales
hey guys i know this is a topic that is posted often but...here we go again.. you only have one gun for the forseable future to hunt whitetale elk moose bear ect.. i know mine personaly is a custom bolt 338 with a 18 inch barrel stainless finish...hey a guy can dream cant he
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henry 45-70 lever action.
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aha yes that is a good one also if i were to really think about it that is better than the 338 in some ways imo round nose just kill better i have no sientific name for it but a 45-70 slug hittin a deer.. aint no uber short fat shoulder dissloacating mag can kill a deer better than a 45-70.. the reason i kinda side with the 338 is range course there may be better range and less recoiling rouds for that but oh well..both are GREAT cals
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18" barrel with a .338win mag, bold.
What custom action for the 338? |
My ONE rifle would be a REAL Marlin 1895 Stainless Guide Gun, .45-70. Own it, love it. Have 2, want 10 more. Pi$$ed beyond compare about what Remington has done to them.
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Do you have any idea of the muzzle blast out of a 18 inch barrel in .338???? :)
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30-06, problem solved. It will and has handled everything in North America that can be legally hunted and it has also been used on game up to elephant in Africa with a 220 gr solid. While I wouldn't recommend it for heavy dangerous game like elephant, rhino or Cape Buffalo it has been used for game like that.
Plus, the 30-06 is still capable of cleanly killing game at 300+ yards, ammo is easy to find and most people can shoot it well. Those advocating a 45-70 most likely haven't tried to shoot one at 300 yards. It drops like a rock! While a lot of whitetail hunting can be a short range affair, if you hunt them on the plains they can need a long shot and elk are often shot at 200-300 yards. Like it or not, that has to be factored in since the OP specifically mentions both elk and moose. |
Originally Posted by flags
(Post 4126265)
30-06, problem solved. It will and has handled everything in North America that can be legally hunted and it has also been used on game up to elephant in Africa with a 220 gr solid. While I wouldn't recommend it for heavy dangerous game like elephant, rhino or Cape Buffalo it has been used for game like that.
Plus, the 30-06 is still capable of cleanly killing game at 300+ yards, ammo is easy to find and most people can shoot it well. Those advocating a 45-70 most likely haven't tried to shoot one at 300 yards. It drops like a rock! While a lot of whitetail hunting can be a short range affair, if you hunt them on the plains they can need a long shot and elk are often shot at 200-300 yards. Like it or not, that has to be factored in since the OP specifically mentions both elk and moose. |
Originally Posted by cammogunner
(Post 4126115)
hey guys i know this is a topic that is posted often but...here we go again.. you only have one gun for the forseable future to hunt whitetale elk moose bear ect...
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Not to start a war between the two cartridges in the least, but as a guy that would indeed reach past the .30-06's in my safe for one of my .45-70's, I'll counterpoint a bit on this...
Originally Posted by flags
(Post 4126265)
30-06, problem solved. It will and has handled everything in North America that can be legally hunted and it has also been used on game up to elephant in Africa.
Originally Posted by flags
(Post 4126265)
While I wouldn't recommend it for heavy dangerous game like elephant, rhino or Cape Buffalo it has been used for game like that.
Originally Posted by flags
(Post 4126265)
Plus, the 30-06 is still capable of cleanly killing game at 300+ yards, ammo is easy to find and most people can shoot it well. Those advocating a 45-70 most likely haven't tried to shoot one at 300 yards. It drops like a rock!
While it isn't 300yrds, I did take this buck at 250yrds with a .45-70. Double lung and heart. This was with a factory load, Hornady 325grn FTX only trucking 1795fps; my handloads with the same bullet can push it up to 2200fps. 30" of drop on that ball from a 100yrd zero, quite a bit to hold over with a 3-9x40 standard Plex reticle, but obviously doable. Not my longest kill with this rifle/load, just the biggest buck I've taken with this rifle for which it was worth keeping a pic in photobucket.
Originally Posted by flags
(Post 4126265)
While a lot of whitetail hunting can be a short range affair, if you hunt them on the plains they can need a long shot and elk are often shot at 200-300 yards. Like it or not, that has to be factored in since the OP specifically mentions both elk and moose.
I'm also prone to think that much of the Kansas ground I do my hunting on should qualify as "plains" where 200-300yrd shooting is pretty common. Not necessary to shoot that far in any environment, but it sure increases your odds in these open spaces if you're able to. Not discounting the .30-06 at all, but do find it a little insulting when someone suggests that a person might recommend the .45-70 over the .30-06 only because they're foolish and/or inexperienced. |
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