I hope you enjoy the ride your Corvair gives you!! :cool2:

My wall(s) & freezer stays full as well. :patriot:

FWIW, my last rifle purchase has been a JOC tribute rifle, just a month ago. I do stay up with changes, tho.

By the way, this is what the last steaks looked like, before they were packaged a few weeks ago.

So are you now attesting that the bonded Coreloct isn't effective at 3000+fps MV, or more likely that it experiences bullet failures above that velocity, therefore it performs better at the lower velocities of the 7mm-08?

Ultimately, you're missing the point. I'll come clean, I'm goading you. You're making blanket statements that CASE DESIGN caused run off deer, by backing up that the bullet behaves great in 7mm-08, but obviously the short fat case of the 7mm WSM screwed up the bullet in some way such that it doesn't perform anymore. In not so many words, you've suggested that it would have been fine at the same velocity coming out of the 7mm RM.

It's 100% fair to say that the bullet selection of a bonded coreloct isn't a good choice for 3000fps+ cartridges (he11, that'd even be valuable information), but that's not what you are saying. You're saying that a CASE DESIGN caused a bullet you believe in, to fail. Which is flat dumb.

Quite commendable indeed.

I am not saying that I that the corelocks in most of my guns 7mm rm, 300 wby. I just didn't like the 300sarum. Believe their Is better rounds out their. Some rounds just don't impress everyone.

I welcomed the WSM's as an chance to get away from the useless belted rounds.

Some of those early M70 WSM's had out of round chambers because Winchester over tightened the barrels into the actions.

Gonna need you to eplain the whole "worthless belted rounds" concept. Are you trying to say the 375 H&H, the 458 Win Mag, the 300 H&H, the 7mm Rem Mag, the 300 Win Mag, the 416 Remington, the 350 Rem Mag, the 264 Win Mag, all the Weatherby rounds and a butt load of wildcats are worthless?

I'm going to guess that there have been millions of game animals shot and killed with these "worthless belted rounds". So, what is it that makes them worthess because it sure isn't the effectiveness of the rounds. Besides, if you didn't want a belted round you already had all the Dakota rounds, the 30-06, 30-40 Krag, 308 Win, 35 Whelen, 7x57 Mauser, 6.5x55 Swedish, 270 Win, 280 Rem, 243 Win, 6mm Rem, 257 Roberts, 260 Rem, 7mm-08, 8x57 Mauser, 9.3x62 Mauser, 9.3x64 Benneke, 7x64 Brenneke etc... that have also accounted for millions of game animals. Pray tell what is it about the WSM that make all the rest obsolete?

Flags,

I've found that most of the people slamming the belted cartridges are inexperienced handloaders who have had difficulty properly sizing belted cases so they bad mouth them and blame the case for their own shortcomings. Then there are those who have never loaded a cartridge in their lives but parrot what they hear from the former group.

Yep, me too. I don't think they understand the belt exists only for headspacing. They seem to have some misconceptions about it.

I full length size new brass for my 7mm mag, trim it a thousandth less than max length, load a medium load over cheap blem bullets and fireform it to my chamber. After that, all I need to do is neck size and load. I've found belted cases have less brass stretch over multiple loadings. I follow the same procedure for my 375 H&H too.

I've been loading my own ammo for over 30 years now. I rarely shoot factory loads except in my 6.5x55 since I can't beat the Seller & Belloit ammo for accuracy no matter how hard I try. I bought a big supply of it when Natchez had a sale for less than $9 a box. I haven't found belted rounds any harder to load for than unbelted rounds.

I don't see the big difficulty either and I've loaded a lot of 7mm RM, 338 WM , and 300 H&H.
Once I make a copy of the chamber with each case it's a simple matter of neck sizing and watching case length, maybe the occasional slight trim.

Sure wish I had that old H&H back. One of my more stupid gun trades !!!!!

Hind sight my friend, hind sight. We've all made bad trades.

I had a Win M1894 in 32 Special I traded off, a pristine 300 Savage I never even fired and I sold a Williams Evans double rifle made in 1898 chambered in 450/400 3 1/4 Nitro Express for $5500. This was the year before the market for doubles in that caliber exploded. I can get $20K out of that double today if I still had it.

On a positive note though, I still have my Mannlicher Schoenauer Model 1903 in 6.5x54MS that I bought for $315. But I still kick myself for passing on a 1903 in 8x68. That one haunts me since they only made a few of those and I'll probably never find another one.

Gun trades, Ya either love them or hate them but you'll always remember some of them.