salukipv1

Where does the .280rem excel over the .270win?

Is the .280AI worth considering with hornady loading 280rem superformance?

What would be your ideal barrel length on the 280rem? I'm thinking 22" but wondering how much 23 or 24" would help?

stapher1

Basically, availability of styles and weights of bullets put the 280 ahead of the 270 .

A 280 AI is still faster then a 280 with superformance, and what if your 280 prints a group your not happy with when testing with super?

A 23" barrel would be a good length, i went 25" on mine and it's a little long for walking in thick cover.

Go with the 280 AI, more performance, less throat erosion, longer brass life. And if go on a hunt somewhere and leave your 280AI ammo on kitchen counter just go get standard 280 and keep hunting.

Superpig

It really doesn't. Bullet diameter of .007" doesn't make a hill of beans. I've been shooting the 280 for about 20 years and reloading all that time. Also, reload for my Dad's 270 & over the chrony shooting the same weight bullets there isn't enough difference to matter. Your best best is to go with a 24" tube as I had a 26" and cut it back to 24" and lost about 40 fps running 140 gr TSX's with the same load. If you're a handloader you might try the AI but if you're not I would stay with the standard. There are quite a few 280 loads out there if you order your ammo. If you want to get it at Wal Mart you won't have alot of luck. If you shoot the AI and want factory loads you're stuck with whats available from Nosler at this point. If you want to be able to buy ammo anywhere at anytime just buy a 270 & you'll be happy & it will make little difference to any animal you shoot at. Plenty of elk, deer, moose, & other critters have been killed with a 270 & with factory ammo available with Barnes bullets it's just as effective as the 280 & this comes from a 280 lover. If I didn't handload I wouldn't buy a 280.

fritz1

Superpig is right, unless you are a handloader the 270 is a better choice and I too am a 280 shooter. My favorite hunting gun is a Ruger 77 MKII stainless 280 with a 22" barrel. You do not need a barrel longer than a 22" barrel unless you AI. The extra length will be more of a hindrance than given you any kind of useable advantage.

Big Uncle

I have had both 22" and 24" barrels on .280 Remingtons and like the 24" better for most purposes. The biggest improvement over a good old .270 Winchester is the ability to use premium heavy bullets at reasonable velocities. I like 7mm 160 grain bullets for game larger than deer, and some guys that I know like the 175 grain pills. If lighter bullets are used in a .280 there is no significant difference between it and a 270.

I do not really see the need in the AI chambering, but you can always get your .280 rechambered into an AI later if you need a bit more velocity (one reason to get the 24" tube).

fritz1

You dont need anything over a 22" barrel on a standard cartridge, the 280 will benifit a little with a longer barrel but it is not needed, I have killed everything from ground squerills to buffalo with a 22" barreled 280. The little increase in velocity isnt enough to notice unless you have a chronograph, a animal deffinitely will not know the difference. If you hunt heavy timber or steep mountains like here in Idaho, you will appreciate a shorter firearm. I recently took a Remington 700 SPS 243 with a 24" barrel and had it cut down by a gunsmith to 18.5" for that reason, it is way more handy in the woods, kills just as dead and just as accurate, if not more accurate than it was at 24". Is it slower? Yes, but velocity isnt everything, it is still a three hundred yard deer rifle, that is much more pleasant to carry. It is just personal preference, in my older age I learned comfort and covenience is more important than maxing out the velocity. If you want mag velocities and dont mind a 24"-26" barrel buy a magnum.

Blackelk

Using 140 gr bullets in the 270win and the 280 rem there's not a nickel's worth of difference. They are pretty much identical in ballistics. If your a fan of heavier bullets the edge goes to the 280 rem. If your a fan of lighter bullets and trajectory then 270 win has the edge. Like RR said past 500yards the heavier 280 Rem bullets hold a advantage with their higher BC. I'm a 270 fan but I would not hesitate to add the 280 rem into my collection for a medium range target rifle using 162 gr bullets.

Fritz your right in medium to short range hunting situations the shorter barrels work great. I've taken elk up to 365 yards with a 20" 270win and seen another family member take a bull elk at 470 yards with the same rifle. Both elk required one shot. In the tree's they are handier for sure. I shoot a lot of open country and I don't mind getting that 35-40 fps for every inch of barrel added on. Depending on caliber barrel length can sure add to less guess work with trajectory in the field at the 400 yard plus range. Even in run of the mill local shooting matches trajectory sure does give me the speed advantage when shooting steel matches where it comes down to hits vs. time. I love simplicity give me a flat shooting accurate rifle with a simple scope and before most can get the animal ranged it's on the ground. That's just how I was taught old school on trajectory. Speed kills but accuracy is king. Combine them both and that's dangerous.

Bernie P.

The difference is not worth worrying about.If you reload you have a slight edge with the .280 whereas .270 factory ammo is sometimes a little easier to find for some.I've been loading/shooting the .280 a few years now but factory ammo for it is easy to come by in my area.

fritz1

The Remington Catalog 2003 includes a "Centerfire Rifle Velocity Vs. Barrel Length" table that shows the following velocity changes for barrels shorter or longer than the test barrel length:

MV 2000-2500 fps, the approximate change in MV per 1" change in barrel length is 10 fps.
MV 2500-3000 fps, the approximate change in MV per 1" change in barrel length is 20 fps.
MV 3000-3500 fps, the approximate change in MV per 1" change in barrel length is 30 fps.
MV 3500-4000 fps, the approximate change in MV per 1" change in barrel length is 40 fps.


The 45th Edition of the Lyman Reloading Handbook also has a table showing Center Fire Rifle Velocity Vs. Barrel Length. Their figures apply to barrels between 20 and 26 inches in length and agree with the Remington figures. The Lyman table shows the following approximate velocity changes:

For rifles with muzzle velocities in the 1000-2000 fps range, the change in velocity for each 1" change in barrel length is 5 fps.
For rifles with muzzle velocities in the 2001-2500 fps range, the change in velocity for each 1" change in barrel length is 10 fps.
For rifles with muzzle velocities in the 2501-3000 fps range, the change in velocity for each 1" change in barrel length is 20 fps.
For rifles with muzzle velocities in the 3001-3500 fps range, the change in velocity for each 1" change in barrel length is 30 fps.
For rifles with muzzle velocities in the 3501-4000 fps range, the change in velocity for each 1" change in barrel length is 40 fps.

According to the charts, the difference in a 280 with a 22" vs. 24" barrel is about 40fps. Like I stated before, not enough to make ANY noticable differences at ANY hunting senario.

Blackelk

Charts are only a guide line for most shooters. Some shooters actually get out there and test this for themselves. For most 270 win 1-10" twist barrels depending on the powder it will run 35-40 fps per inch. HUGE difference when talking 20" vs 26" barrel. HUGE. Field tested beats computer data every time.