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243or 243ai
well im done hunting until september,so im gonna rebuild my 110 22-250 to a 243,im just wanting it for yotes and deer.i want something bsides my 06.just thought i wood ask for yalls opinions,im also looking at the ruger hawkeye in 243.thanks
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JD,
I like the idea of shooting yotes with a .243 AL alright, just as long as you reload ! Honestly, how many shots do you expect to get in a day anyway ? Would be one great flat shooting cartridge for predators & pronghorns out west, that's for sure !!! |
Unless you reload, stay away from the AI. Keep your 22.250 and just buy a .243. That's what I'd do. The .243 is a great round for deer and yotes.
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yes i reload all my ammo.the 250 has the original barrel and its a 1999.it still shoots fantastic but i been wanting a 243 for dual purpose.im fighting hep c and the recoil from the 06 is just too much for me right now as im sick.i just figgured a 243 will be just the ticket
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The nice thing about AI'ing a round is you still can shoot the parent cartridge. Here's some drop rate numbers in comparision for you;
CartridgeBulletVel FPS 300yd Drop/Drift600yd Drop/Drift1000yd Drop/Drift .243 AI 115 DTAC 3200fps 8.32″ | 4.08″57.15″ | 17.57″218.6″ | 54.8″ .243 Win 115 DTAC 3120fps 8.97″ | 4.24″60.82″ | 18.25″232.3″ | 57.0″ 6XC 115 DTAC 3040 9.67″ | 4.41″64.82″ | 19.01″247.2″ | 59.5″ 6mm Dasher 105 Berger VLD 3030fps 9.92″ | 4.85″67.33″ | 21.24″262.7″ | 67.4″ 6mm BR 105 Berger VLD 2920fps 10.91″ | 5.08″73.33″ | 22.35″286.0″ | 71.4″ Here's a link for more info; http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/243win/ |
I have a remington 700 SPS in .243 with a detachable box magazine that might be the most accurate rifle I own; if I do my part !
I shoot 75 gr. V-max bullets for coyotes & hornady 95 gr. SST's for deer. I did have a basic trigger job done on it and the barrel hand lapped; when it was new............. |
i know i want a 1-9 or better a 1-8 twist with a 22 or 24 in barrel.my 250 still shoots good but the throat is starting to wear so it needs to be redone either way.i looked at a ruger hawkeye 243,for some reason i like rugers.where we hunt we get quite a few shots but if the winds blowing it sucks with the 250
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Personally, here's how I cut it:
Reloading the AI (like RR mentioned) is a bit easier and it's easier on brass, but I don't know that I'd have ever classified the .243win as "difficult" to reload in the first place? No substantial difference to me, except maybe a little longer brass life. The AI will hold a little more powder, giving you a little more speed. Then again, the AI will BURN a little more powder, and have a little higher pressure and a little higher speed, meaning your powder bills are a little bit higher, and you'll see a little more wear and tear on your barrels/throats. Significant? No, probably not. No real difference in my book. Finding an AI rifle, or reaming a rifle for the AI is an added expense, or at best an added hassle. Advantage to the .243win for me on this one. Fireforming AI brass, while occasionally pleasureful, does indeed take time, and cost money (powder, primer, bullets), and puts wear on your barrels. Guys that use AI rounds for competition generally use a "fireforming barrel" that was chambered with the same reamer as their match barrel (or guys use their OLD match barrel with a burned out throat) to fireform brass, so they don't burn up the barrel they'll use against the clock. Advantage to the .243win in my book. The .243 AI is indeed faster, dropping slightly less, and drifting slightly less in cross winds. Is it substantial? Personally, I don't see it. 50-100fps more doesn't mean much to me, and will only account for a few inches even at 1000yrds. I classify the .243WSSM in this boat as well. Sure, the AI and WSSM are faster, but what does it gain you? Nothing in my book. No substantial difference for either. Cool factor: Let's face it, AI's are just plain cool, and having a "wildcat" does carry a certain allure. Is it worth it? Not really, based on the above points, but is driving a hummer to work cool enough to make it worth it? To some people, it sure is. In your search, I'd throw the .243WSSM in the mix just as an added complication for you (only really makes sense if you're wanting a .243XXX in an AR platform, mind you). Personally, I'd just get a plain jane .243win. |
Originally Posted by Colorado Luckydog
(Post 3942419)
Unless you reload, stay away from the AI.
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The 243, there isnt enough difference between the two warrant the AI.
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I'll toss in my 2 cents as well to stay with the .243 Win. Great cartridge! I have several and have always loved the cal...and it's also what I chose for my daughters first cal.
That being said...AI's are cool and having a wildcat in the cabinet it always cool. If you are looking for a reason to buy an AI...then do it. Just be aware the limited benefits will come at a hefty price, one I say isn't worth it just for a 'yote gun. But again..I secretly want an AI in my safe as well (257 Bob AI maybe...or maybe even a 243 AI??) just because. I would also recommend what someone else did as well...consider the 243 WSSM. Pretty dang close stats with the 243 AI and at a reduced cost over the AI. I have a 25 WSSM and am thoroughly impressed...and the supper short action is very nice when cycling the bolt on the field (especially over a long action). |
A WSSM, great idea if it was still being chambered.
Put a 105gr bullet in a 243AI and watch it beat a .243 by 250fps. And with a 80gr bullet it can get 400fps over it. That's more than a little difference. And with less throat damage then it's parent. http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/243win/ Is a .243 a great round, easy to load with no fireforming...yup, but does a 243AI beat it, yup and in some by ways alot. You won't go wrong either way. |
I have had several wildcats in the past and currently own a couple, I do not see peoples fasination with them, other than being able to brag that they have something there buddy doesnt. Most of them offer no real usable advantage over the standard version compared to the trouble of fireforming brass. The 243 AI is better on paper but really offers no usable advantage over the 243. If you are looking for a little more velocity out of the 243, I would strongly recomend a 6mm Rem., it is a standard round that brass and factory loads are obtainable, also you dont have to order custom dies. Also if you ever go to get rid of a wildcat gun, you will find they have no re-sale unless you happen to find someone that is looking for that exact gun. You will take a beating on it.
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Originally Posted by Nomercy448
(Post 3942466)
Personally, here's how I cut it:
Reloading the AI (like RR mentioned) is a bit easier and it's easier on brass, but I don't know that I'd have ever classified the .243win as "difficult" to reload in the first place? No substantial difference to me, except maybe a little longer brass life. The AI will hold a little more powder, giving you a little more speed. Then again, the AI will BURN a little more powder, and have a little higher pressure and a little higher speed, meaning your powder bills are a little bit higher, and you'll see a little more wear and tear on your barrels/throats. Significant? No, probably not. No real difference in my book. Finding an AI rifle, or reaming a rifle for the AI is an added expense, or at best an added hassle. Advantage to the .243win for me on this one. Fireforming AI brass, while occasionally pleasureful, does indeed take time, and cost money (powder, primer, bullets), and puts wear on your barrels. Guys that use AI rounds for competition generally use a "fireforming barrel" that was chambered with the same reamer as their match barrel (or guys use their OLD match barrel with a burned out throat) to fireform brass, so they don't burn up the barrel they'll use against the clock. Advantage to the .243win in my book. The .243 AI is indeed faster, dropping slightly less, and drifting slightly less in cross winds. Is it substantial? Personally, I don't see it. 50-100fps more doesn't mean much to me, and will only account for a few inches even at 1000yrds. I classify the .243WSSM in this boat as well. Sure, the AI and WSSM are faster, but what does it gain you? Nothing in my book. No substantial difference for either. Cool factor: Let's face it, AI's are just plain cool, and having a "wildcat" does carry a certain allure. Is it worth it? Not really, based on the above points, but is driving a hummer to work cool enough to make it worth it? To some people, it sure is. In your search, I'd throw the .243WSSM in the mix just as an added complication for you (only really makes sense if you're wanting a .243XXX in an AR platform, mind you). Personally, I'd just get a plain jane .243win. |
Originally Posted by Nomercy448
(Post 3942466)
Personally, I'd just get a plain jane .243win.
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Originally Posted by stapher1
(Post 3942639)
A WSSM, great idea if it was still being chambered.
Put a 105gr bullet in a 243AI and watch it beat a .243 by 250fps. And with a 80gr bullet it can get 400fps over it. That's more than a little difference. And with less throat damage then it's parent. http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/243win/ Is a .243 a great round, easy to load with no fireforming...yup, but does a 243AI beat it, yup and in some by ways alot. You won't go wrong either way. |
Th 243 wssm beats the 6mm Rem by a whole 10fps with a 100gr. bullet. Its not worth the extra expense, and the problems of finding brass and ammo. Like RR stated, AI it and then you will have a hot 243 caliber round, if that is what you are after. Personally, I beleive the plain 6mm is fine just the way it is but everyone is different and has different ideas and opinions.
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
(Post 3943145)
The thick wssm brass from my experience is hard to maintain, needs annealed every other loading and still won't outlast AI brass in a custom cut chamber. If it ere me I'd make it a 6mm AI in a long action with a fast twist.
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
(Post 3943145)
The thick wssm brass from my experience is hard to maintain, needs annealed every other loading and still won't outlast AI brass in a custom cut chamber. If it ere me I'd make it a 6mm AI in a long action with a fast twist.
RR I will say this though...I have not had any problems with my WSSM brass needing to be annealed (buy mine is a 25..not the 243) and I have not had any difficulty in locating brass...and the 25 WSSM is far less popular than the 243 or 223 WSSM's. |
I own a Howa M1500 in .243 win and I love the 243 Winchester cartridge loaded with Hornady 95 gr. SST, btw that is the rifle in my profile pic of my 8-point with a drop down tine behind the ear and it and dropped instantly at 150 yards (I used a rangefinder). Currently I use a .270 win just for more knockdown power using Federal premium trophy bonded tip 130 gr. or Hornady 130 gr. SST. IMO get a .243 win, overall I love relaxing at the range and busting clays at 100 yards no problem with no recoil. If possible get a mag conversion kit to a 10 round detachable mag for varmint hunting
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
(Post 3943430)
mine is also a 25 wssm
RR I looked for 2 years before I found what I wanted (but being a lefty I have got use to that) |
Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
(Post 3943734)
mine is a dedicated technologies AR-15, awesome rifle.
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RR,what do you think about a 6mm ina mauser action?i been wanting to build a nice mauser for a long time now,
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Mausers are great actions, but (depending on what your gunsmith charges), by the time he's done modernizing a mauser you could have the cost of a new or used modern action.
I.E...Drill & tap, replace the bolt handle, new trigger, machine off the stripper clip for scope mounts, convert the old safety, machine the trigger guard...etc. You may not do all of those things. If you really want a rifle off a mauser, i'd talk to your 'smith and see what he likes to do to them. |
RR, Where did you get that stock? That's really nice!
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Here's mine in 308win:
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
(Post 3945877)
no I sent a blank to joel russo from harrisburg pa and he cut if tor me, its a walnut copy of an A3-5 or an A5-3 military stock RR |
Originally Posted by stapher1
(Post 3945673)
Mausers are great actions, but (depending on what your gunsmith charges), by the time he's done modernizing a mauser you could have the cost of a new or used modern action.
I.E...Drill & tap, replace the bolt handle, new trigger, machine off the stripper clip for scope mounts, convert the old safety, machine the trigger guard...etc. You may not do all of those things. If you really want a rifle off a mauser, i'd talk to your 'smith and see what he likes to do to them. |
How about a 240 Weatherby or 6mm-284?
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