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paulie300 11-20-2011 07:02 PM

I have a problem with my Browning
 
I have a A bolt boss stalker chambered in 300 win mag that has an issue; the problem is that the bolt locks up. Before I hunted with this gun i spent a lot of time on my range and tried out a few scopes, different loads and the gun functioned great, but then out in the field I couldn't get the bolt to work and it was totally locked up. I kept working it and it finally freed up. The gun worked fine for a couple more years then it happened again. Then today I was clearing my gun so I took the magazine out, took the safety off to eject the shell and it wouldnt open but I finally got the gun to open after putting the safety on and off several times.
...so now I'm worried and don't trust this thing at all, furthermore I really don't know of a gunsmith around that I would trust cleaning my firearms much less have them attempt to fix one of my guns.
Should I send it to Browning or is there a smith that you could recommend that I could send it to that has a great reputation?
Better yet, is this something I could fix myself?

btw, I'm new here

bigbulls 11-20-2011 09:59 PM

The A-bolt has a locking pin that locks the bolt closed when the safety is engaged. Sounds to me that this pin may be gummed up or dirty and is not releasing the bolt.

Clean the rifle very well including the trigger and all related parts.

Sheridan 11-21-2011 12:05 PM

"Clean the rifle very well including the trigger and all related parts." BB



+1
Always the best place to start !

paulie300 11-23-2011 08:19 PM

The gun has always been cleaned after every hunt and completely stripped down after every season and looked at by a "gunsmith".
I guess I was hoping for a answer other than it being a cleaning issue but thanks anyways.
I did strip the gun again but since I'm in the middle of firearm deer season and it not the greatest time to be testing a gun so I've bee carrying my Encore.

Sheridan 11-23-2011 08:36 PM

Paulie,

What did the gunsmith say ??

paulie300 11-24-2011 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Sheridan (Post 3880574)
Paulie,

What did the gunsmith say ??

That.there is nothing wrong with the gun...pos Japanese gun, etc..

I use to be a firearms dealer and in the area we had a smith that was a muzzleloader builder and then this grumpy old smuck and wasnt good at a anything. Anybody that needed anything done more than drill and tap jobs had had to send guns away. He was so bad I didn't recommend him to anyone.

Sheridan 11-24-2011 12:30 PM

Paulie,


Sounds like you need a new smith !

Send it to Browning or Browning authorized "dealer/gunsmith"...................

fritz1 11-24-2011 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by paulie300 (Post 3880775)
That.there is nothing wrong with the gun...pos Japanese gun, etc.

LMAO!!! I would say the same! Buy American!!!

paulie300 11-24-2011 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by fritz1 (Post 3880819)
LMAO!!! I would say the same! Buy American!!!

yeah, like the remingtons that fire when you take the safety off?

dig it

I own guns from many manufacturers and was hunting with a tc encore tonight, fyi

paulie300 11-24-2011 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by Sheridan (Post 3880817)
Paulie,


Sounds like you need a new smith !

Send it to Browning or Browning authorized "dealer/gunsmith"...................

for sure. I'll be sending it to someone

bigbulls 11-24-2011 05:22 PM

There's really only a couple of reasons this would happen. First is what I talked about in my first post. The bolt locking pin is getting stuck some how and you working the bolt back and forth gets it to retract enough for the bolt to finally move. Check to make sure that this pin is moving freely. There is small roll pin that holds it in place. Check to make sure that it hasn't worked loose over time and isn't binding.

Second is that you have a very dirty, rusted, pitted chamber but you say that you clean this rifle after every hunt so I doubt the chamber is screwed up.

Third is that your ammo is way over pressure but you would easily see signs of this on your brass.

I guess it is possible, though not very likely at all, that your firing pin is broken and is allowing the bolt head key pin to move slightly off center and bind up the bolt.

paulie300 11-24-2011 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by bigbulls (Post 3880898)
There's really only a couple of reasons this would happen. First is what I talked about in my first post. The bolt locking pin is getting stuck some how and you working the bolt back and forth gets it to retract enough for the bolt to finally move. Check to make sure that this pin is moving freely. There is small roll pin that holds it in place. Check to make sure that it hasn't worked loose over time and isn't binding.

Second is that you have a very dirty, rusted, pitted chamber but you say that you clean this rifle after every hunt so I doubt the chamber is screwed up.

Third is that your ammo is way over pressure but you would easily see signs of this on your brass.

I guess it is possible, though not very likely at all, that your firing pin is broken and is allowing the bolt head key pin to move slightly off center and bind up the bolt.

Thanks for the knowledgeable advice.
I read your post, removed the stock and checked it.all over, no roll pins are deformed and everything looks 100% and clean. Checked the chamber with a bore light; perfect. Took the bolt apart, hoping for a broken firing pin, not.
....now have to put the bolt back together....I'm never good at that but get it done.

So, you say that maybe I might have a pressure problem? Well I've never been a person to load hot and this gun I don't reload for at all. I bought the gun when Browning was offering the Boss system to any dealer and their employees at 40% off, so I snagged one. Since the Boss system underwent a whole bunch of factory ammunition testing I called them up and asked a tech about some ammo choices and where to set the Boss with said choices and settled on Federal Premium 180 NP's (with the Boss CR set on 8, btw). Not exactly my choice for whitetails but it shoots so good I don't mind that its a elk load and the whitetails don't mind either! So with all that said, do you think it could be the load? I've never seen land marks on bullets that have been in the chamber. Could it be excessive throw?
After opening up this gun, AGAIN, this is frustrating- this isn't rocket science but it has me baffled! ;p

bigbulls 11-24-2011 08:54 PM

When you have the gun apart check to make sure that #62 (top of the trigger) moves freely when you operate the safety. This is the part that lock the bolt closed when the safety is engaged.


paulie300 11-25-2011 08:58 AM

#62 looks like the safety pin. The lock comes up right under the bolt handle...I think. I'm sitting in a blind right now posting on a droid and the gun is at at home. I love technology.

I'm sitting in the sweetest funnel and there are Jr. league bucks all over, buster has got to be out there somewhere. I've never posted a picture here so I dont know if this will work but this little buck almost came into the blind!

shoot, no can do :(

fritz1 11-27-2011 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by paulie300 (Post 3880863)
yeah, like the remingtons that fire when you take the safety off?

dig it

I own guns from many manufacturers and was hunting with a tc encore tonight, fyi

I have owned a ton of Remingtons and most of the hunters I know use Remingtons, and believe it or not I have never had, nor has any one I know had one go off when the safety has been taken off. All the stories of this happening is caused by some idiot thinking they are qualified enough to adjust the trigger pull on one instead of taking it to someone that actually knows what they are doing.

paulie300 11-27-2011 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by fritz1 (Post 3881941)
I have owned a ton of Remingtons and most of the hunters I know use Remingtons, and believe it or not I have never had, nor has any one I know had one go off when the safety has been taken off. All the stories of this happening is caused by some idiot thinking they are qualified enough to adjust the trigger pull on one instead of taking it to someone that actually knows what they are doing.

okay, if you say so.

don't Google "remington safety issues" because you might find out that it has nothing to do with anyone... I mean "some idiot", as you so eloquently put it, adjusting triggers, although that would also cause some problems like that. Some manufactures ( like browning ) have trigger adjustments parameters and its impossible to make adjustments beyond, cool huh?
I like remingtons, when I owned my gun store I sold a lot of them, I even own a few. I didn't sell "tons" of them but certainly several hundred during my tenure and never did I have one customer have that safety issue.

I did have one 700 fan come in complaining that his gun wouldn't hit a standard sized target at 25 yards. He didn't have the gun so i borrowed him a boresighting set and showed him how to diy, and I sold him 2 boxes or .270. A couple days later he was back to return the boresighter but it didn't work: the gun still didnt shoot for crap, he said he'll bring it in so I can make sure the scope isn't screwed up and get a second opinion. He brought the gun in and I made sure the gun was unloaded and put an expandable arbor boresighter in the barrel; fits .25 cal through .45 caliber. Everything was working fine so he agreed with me and we took the scope off right down to the bases. Loose bases weren't the problem but he thought taking it apart, re-loctiteing the bases was the answer which I wasn't so sure was the answer. I offered to take it to a range and shoot it myself and even offered the guy a different scope to try, he refused. I put his gun back in his case and as he was headed out the door he said, " I almost forgot!!! I need a couple more boxes of .270!" I asked him to see his gun again. Confused, he opened up case and handed me his gun.

....I handed him back his 30-06 and got ready to explain to him how and why .270 ammo will shoot horribly out of a 30-06.


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