me and my kids use a 223 fer deer every year. they drop like a rock most the time, but sometimes will stagger 20 yards before falling over.
55g rem corelokt.

I love the 22 debate! I'd take the 223 in any platform over 14"of bbl under I'd go to the carbine.

Ummmm this is kind of 1 of those peaches and nectarine things. If my 357s were accurate at 1450 from my pistol they'd be close to 1800fps from my carbine and 50gn heavier than the carb. with nearly the same BC in a similar appropriate hunting bullet. By which I mean soft points,RNFPs or SWCs in both 30 carb and 357. Look at the muzzle numbers you'll find the 357 pretty close to the 30-30. I will conceit the 100yd numbers to the 30-30. From my 48th Lyman.