308 question
07-20-2011, 01:38 PM
#15
Fork Horn
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: West TN
Posts: 374
Me personally im a 06 man. But the ol 308 is a great round ive used many times. Keep what feels best or youl likely regrett it. There aint a deer elk or bear out there that could tell the diffrence in getting hit with a 180gr 308 or a 180gr 30-06. As for the big brown bear they use to kill em with the 3030 and 44-40in the good ol days so a 308 would work maby not the ideal round but deqd is dead. If you like it better keep it.
07-21-2011, 05:46 AM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 3,329
Just about every animal on earth would fall to the .308 Win. I would not in any way shape or form feel under gunned.
The 06 has the advantage of having a greater selection of ammo. That's about it. The ballistic comparisons are just paper and the mindless jibber that fills the internet and hunt camp bs'ing sessions.
Tom
The 06 has the advantage of having a greater selection of ammo. That's about it. The ballistic comparisons are just paper and the mindless jibber that fills the internet and hunt camp bs'ing sessions.
Tom
08-03-2011, 08:22 PM
#18
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: West TN
Posts: 847
I have two '06s in my safe and love em both. But honestly the .308 will do ANYTHING the 06 will do. Folks seem to forget that the 06 was shortened less than 1/2" and called the 308! As for the "well the 06 will push heavier bullets faster" arguement... with crappy bullets umpteen years ago that might've been valid but I can assure you that a 308 with 180Barnes WILL out penetrate a 200grain Nosler partition, corelokt and about 99% of anyother 200grn your going to buy over the counter and fire out of an 06!!!
As for the 220s, NEITHER are worth a toot in the 308 or 06 IMHO because the trajectory will be like a rainbow. 40-50+ years ago there might've been a reason for needing a heavy old 220 in an 06 because of the sorry bullets that were made back then. The basic philosophy was, "Start with enough weight so that after the light jacketed, lead cored POS bullet sheds so much of itself, enough weight will be retained to assure some sort of decent penetration of whatevers left of the bullet". But the last 20+ years have given us new bullets that don't need the initial weight yet still get deep penetration and by using those lighter bullets we gain improved ballistics.
If you are hunting big bears and other big game in CAN and AK then you have the $ for another gun anyway. (A .338 is great and the grand ol dame 375H&H is even better for bears that want to look for and eat you when you poke holes in them!) But I can assure you that a 308 with 180Barnes WILL reliably kill inside of 400yds ANY moose, buffalo, elk, caribou or anything else that aint dangerous on our continent. (Read my reminder of waiting/picking your shots below!) Someone go tell Jim Zumbo he HAD to have a 300+mag to kill all the elk he killed before the mid 80s when he got into bigger/faster calibers. He killed a boxcar load+ of elk with an ol 06 and many were OVER 400yds!
The difference (of the small 30s vs the 30mags or larger guns) is you'll have to put the bullet where it counts, even if it means waiting for the perfect angle/shot or even passing for another day. Put that same 180Barnes in a 300Wby, 300Win or any of the 300Supermags and have at it regardless of angle, the substantial increase in velocity will significantly increase the penetration which means you'll most likely reach the vitals if put it where it must go for that shot in the 1st place. IMHO penetration is KEY, not "energy" or anyother paper ballistics terminology you can find from the latest gunwriter! (If 1000#s was required to kill a 150# animal (deer) then why wouldn't it take 10,000#s to kill a 1000# animal (big elk)??? hmmmmmmm tell all the elk that are killed by 243 that it's just a figment of their imagination.)
I'd keep the 308, stoke it full of the new Barnes VorTex ammo (150 TTSX) and set out to dirtroll ANY whitetail that dares cross my path!!!
HL
As for the 220s, NEITHER are worth a toot in the 308 or 06 IMHO because the trajectory will be like a rainbow. 40-50+ years ago there might've been a reason for needing a heavy old 220 in an 06 because of the sorry bullets that were made back then. The basic philosophy was, "Start with enough weight so that after the light jacketed, lead cored POS bullet sheds so much of itself, enough weight will be retained to assure some sort of decent penetration of whatevers left of the bullet". But the last 20+ years have given us new bullets that don't need the initial weight yet still get deep penetration and by using those lighter bullets we gain improved ballistics.
If you are hunting big bears and other big game in CAN and AK then you have the $ for another gun anyway. (A .338 is great and the grand ol dame 375H&H is even better for bears that want to look for and eat you when you poke holes in them!) But I can assure you that a 308 with 180Barnes WILL reliably kill inside of 400yds ANY moose, buffalo, elk, caribou or anything else that aint dangerous on our continent. (Read my reminder of waiting/picking your shots below!) Someone go tell Jim Zumbo he HAD to have a 300+mag to kill all the elk he killed before the mid 80s when he got into bigger/faster calibers. He killed a boxcar load+ of elk with an ol 06 and many were OVER 400yds!
The difference (of the small 30s vs the 30mags or larger guns) is you'll have to put the bullet where it counts, even if it means waiting for the perfect angle/shot or even passing for another day. Put that same 180Barnes in a 300Wby, 300Win or any of the 300Supermags and have at it regardless of angle, the substantial increase in velocity will significantly increase the penetration which means you'll most likely reach the vitals if put it where it must go for that shot in the 1st place. IMHO penetration is KEY, not "energy" or anyother paper ballistics terminology you can find from the latest gunwriter! (If 1000#s was required to kill a 150# animal (deer) then why wouldn't it take 10,000#s to kill a 1000# animal (big elk)??? hmmmmmmm tell all the elk that are killed by 243 that it's just a figment of their imagination.)
I'd keep the 308, stoke it full of the new Barnes VorTex ammo (150 TTSX) and set out to dirtroll ANY whitetail that dares cross my path!!!
HL
08-04-2011, 09:22 AM
#19
Spike
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: green bay, wi (hunt in peshtigo, wi)
Posts: 59
i would keep the .308, i hunt with a .308 semi-auto, and i love it. the gun has never failed me and i have never missed a deer with it, it is a great round with plenty of power, the farthest a deer has ever gone is 50 yards from point of impact, all but one dropped in sight, most fall within 15 yards.
