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Old 01-06-2002, 12:15 PM
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I agree with Quilly. You know what I'd like to see is the makers of every .50BMG rifle or other long range type rifles to include a paper on the ethics of long range hunting. A basic do and don't list. Besides shooting skill from what I call a field firing position you also have to factor in "BUCK FEVER" and I always subtract 100yds for that. Which puts me at 500yds. Once as a experiment I stood up in full view of some deer at about 400yds and took a few steps parallel to them so they could surly see me move and they bolted back into the woods. Of course that was one instance. But they do recognize the human shape as a danger from greater distances than we may think.
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Old 01-06-2002, 03:11 PM
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Big Ed...you're right, and I thought we were getting along, Quilly...LOL

Like I said I believe there are people that can make these shots consistently. However, I ain't one of em. LOL

Handloader, tell your cousin thanks for protecting our country. However, I never questioned his ability to shoot. I don't even remember meeting him!

The same guy's son I know that has the 50, shoots long range (500+ yards) with a 220 swift. He is amazing. I shot with him, and I was happy to hit paper. I did manage a few good shots, but there is definitely a knack to that! I hate to say this, but I believe he would be capable of a head shot at 500 yards with his swift. Spooky...
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Old 01-06-2002, 03:54 PM
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Id like to add that the amount of homework that also goes into getting a good load worked up can take months and after you have it worked up you need to shoot it at 500 yrds
not a inch high at 200 or anthing of the sort .The group may be good on paper at 100 or 200
but when you throw it out to 500 it can really change. Havent lost one yet
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Old 01-06-2002, 07:17 PM
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Gentlemen, gentlemen........Please keep in mind that this round was originally designed to pierce armour not take big game. I will atest, however, that there are some SF guys out there that are trained to take game (enemy personnel) with this rifle. Remember, that's ALL they do! They train day and night to do exactly what we are talking about. Most .50 cal. snipers never pick up another long range weapon. Sure...they can shoot the ass out of a fly at 1800 mikes but this is a HUNTING FORUM!
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Old 01-06-2002, 11:25 PM
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You need to think before you voice your opinions.
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Old 01-07-2002, 08:46 AM
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It has went South. I think I opened a can of worms or in this case one of 50 year old ball powder! Read what I said above about knowing when and when not to take a long shot at game and about realistic practice to do so. I also think when a topic gets this many replies they get a wee bit off the main subject <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Old 01-07-2002, 08:51 AM
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I would never advocate extreme long range shooting on big game animals, no matter what the weapon or the shooter’s skill level. There are simply too many things that can go wrong. The shooter misjudges the wind, the animal moves, etc. A hit that would permanently cripple and not allow the recovery of a game animal would be considered a success to a military sniper.

Remember if a sniper hits someone in the guts from 1000 meters away or blows his leg off he has done his job. Not only has he taken that individual out as a threat, he has created a situation where that individual ties up resources and personnel to care for them.

Military sniping and big game hunting are drastically different. Just because a rifle is capable of making extreme long-range hits does not mean that it would it be ethical to hunt in this matter.

Having voiced my objections to hunting with the .50BMG I would like to relate some information about what a great military tool it is in the right hands. My brother is a SFC in the Special Forces. He is not a sniper. He belongs to a group called the “Muddy Boots Council” that participates in R&D for new equipment that the Army is developing for the field. He had the opportunity to participate in a demonstration/test session of a .50BMG sniper rifle built by McMillan. The factory guys from McMillan demonstrated the rifle’s capabilities by killing targets at ranges from 800 to 1600 meters. After the demonstration they were encouraged to get some hands on experience. My brother was able to kill 3 milk jugs filled with water with 4 shots at 1600 meters! As I stated earlier he isn’t a sniper and this was the first time he had ever shot this rifle.

I think the .50BMG is an amazing military and long-range target round. I don’t think anyone should be allowed to hunt with it.


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Old 01-07-2002, 09:13 AM
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By not &quot;allowing hunting&quot; with it you fell into stage 2 of the anti-gun trap!!! The first is &quot;sporting purpose&quot;, which the average person out there equates to hunting when thinking about firearms. When we start restricting the use of certain guns for hunting or any use for that matter. We fall right into the other sides trap that they have laid for us!!! Of course we have to be responsible hunters but lets not define exactly what a proper hunting rifle is. Thats giving the anti-gunners the rope to hang us!
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Old 01-07-2002, 09:29 AM
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I think this topic needs to be laid to rest. I'm ouutttaaa this one fer good!<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Old 01-07-2002, 09:33 AM
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Big Ed - That is totally disingenuous of you to equate my comments with any type of gun control. States already restrict firearms as to their suitability to hunting. Do you think .22 rimfires should be allowed for elk hunting? If not, why not? Simple, because it is not responsible or ethical to hunt animals with cartridges that are inadequate. In my opinion it is equally irresponsible and unethical to advocate half-mile sniping of game animals.

I have not fallen into any trap. If you want to give the other side ammo by crippling and losing game animals as a result of irresponsible longe-range shooting I guess that is your privelage.

&quot;Character is doing the right thing when no one is looking.&quot;
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