Having custom rifle built....WSM or regular mag?
02-11-2011, 09:18 PM
#11
Spike
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: RI
Posts: 67
I like the WSM's, particularly the 270 and 300wsm
IMO and I have a .300win.mag. I'm never going to shoot 200gr bullets out of it, 180's all day long for everything, nothing lighter, nothing heavier. Sure the .300win.mag. beats the .300wsm with 200gr bullets, but again if I need more bullet, ie 200 or 220gr from a 300, velocity won't be the deciding factor, like Africa...bigger over lighter/faster. and again I'm not going to be loading my .300win.mag with a 200 or 220 for brown bear etc...even moose? I'd either use 180grs, or I'd go to a bigger caliber, 338, 375.
Personally I'm liking smaller handier rifles these days, 26" magnums, long actions, no thanks.
a 24" WSM with a short action is very nice IMO.
they are loaded at higher pressures.
personally I just like everything about the WSM's, short action, no belt, just a great designed round IMO.
and once again, why would you or anyone else be shooting 200 or 220gr bullets from a .300win.mag? especially nowadays with the great designed quality bullets available in 180grs.
Also, it depends what you're comparing, do you want every last bit of performance? then get a .300 RUM or Wby probably with 26", some are even say 30" for the RUM, I don't know about you, I barely can stand 26" barrels on a hunting rifle, let alone a 30", least not to walk around with.
If you want a handy lighter weight rifle, how does the .300wsm compare to the .308 short action or .30-06 long action?
IMO and I have a .300win.mag. I'm never going to shoot 200gr bullets out of it, 180's all day long for everything, nothing lighter, nothing heavier. Sure the .300win.mag. beats the .300wsm with 200gr bullets, but again if I need more bullet, ie 200 or 220gr from a 300, velocity won't be the deciding factor, like Africa...bigger over lighter/faster. and again I'm not going to be loading my .300win.mag with a 200 or 220 for brown bear etc...even moose? I'd either use 180grs, or I'd go to a bigger caliber, 338, 375.
Personally I'm liking smaller handier rifles these days, 26" magnums, long actions, no thanks.
a 24" WSM with a short action is very nice IMO.
they are loaded at higher pressures.
personally I just like everything about the WSM's, short action, no belt, just a great designed round IMO.
and once again, why would you or anyone else be shooting 200 or 220gr bullets from a .300win.mag? especially nowadays with the great designed quality bullets available in 180grs.
Also, it depends what you're comparing, do you want every last bit of performance? then get a .300 RUM or Wby probably with 26", some are even say 30" for the RUM, I don't know about you, I barely can stand 26" barrels on a hunting rifle, let alone a 30", least not to walk around with.
If you want a handy lighter weight rifle, how does the .300wsm compare to the .308 short action or .30-06 long action?
Last edited by RIbadazzz; 02-11-2011 at 10:14 PM.
02-12-2011, 03:00 AM
#12
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 240
Efficiency, first and foremost, both my WSM’s shoot 210 Bergers at 2930fps with 61 grains of H4350. I have a Win Mag that shoots 190 SMK’s just over 2900fps with 70.4 grains of RE22. Now any gun that will shoot a heavier bullet faster with less powder has to have something going for it.
As far as a 300 WIN Mag handling a heavier bullet better you will need to explain that one, a Win Mag will handle a 240 SMK and a WSM won’t but I don’t see that much more advantage in the 240 vs. the 210 in their respective guns. The 210 makes up the difference in speed from the WSM where the WM can’t drive the 240 fast enough to make that much difference.
Don’t get me wrong, I really like the WM and think it’s a great gun but the WSM’s are here to stay.
A 300 RUM? Yep that has many advantages over the WSM and the WM but to flat out beat either one in accuracy, I doubt it. It will hold it’s own for sure but to claim it will make short work of a WSM, no way!
As far as a 300 WIN Mag handling a heavier bullet better you will need to explain that one, a Win Mag will handle a 240 SMK and a WSM won’t but I don’t see that much more advantage in the 240 vs. the 210 in their respective guns. The 210 makes up the difference in speed from the WSM where the WM can’t drive the 240 fast enough to make that much difference.
Don’t get me wrong, I really like the WM and think it’s a great gun but the WSM’s are here to stay.
A 300 RUM? Yep that has many advantages over the WSM and the WM but to flat out beat either one in accuracy, I doubt it. It will hold it’s own for sure but to claim it will make short work of a WSM, no way!
02-12-2011, 06:40 AM
#13
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Slippery Rock, Pa.
Posts: 393
Hodgdon load data:
300 RUM- 150gr bullet, 106.0 gr of RETUMBO= 3531fps
300 WIN- 150gr bullet, 78.0 gr of IMR 4831= 3289fps
300 WSM- 150gr bullet, 74.0 gr of SUPRFORM= 3410fps
300 RSAUM - 150gr bullet, 65.5gr of H414 = 3201fps
Short mags are shorter, lighter guns and not powder hogs, and what most long range comp. shooters are using to win 1000yd matches. 300 rums do have a place. Since i no interest in hunting the great bears, a 300 RUM is not necessary. And i bought a Rem700 LSS 300 Win before the short mags came out, so i don't need another mag but if i didn't have one, a WSM would be it.
300 RUM- 150gr bullet, 106.0 gr of RETUMBO= 3531fps
300 WIN- 150gr bullet, 78.0 gr of IMR 4831= 3289fps
300 WSM- 150gr bullet, 74.0 gr of SUPRFORM= 3410fps
300 RSAUM - 150gr bullet, 65.5gr of H414 = 3201fps
Short mags are shorter, lighter guns and not powder hogs, and what most long range comp. shooters are using to win 1000yd matches. 300 rums do have a place. Since i no interest in hunting the great bears, a 300 RUM is not necessary. And i bought a Rem700 LSS 300 Win before the short mags came out, so i don't need another mag but if i didn't have one, a WSM would be it.
02-12-2011, 07:17 AM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Idaho
Posts: 1,081
Exactly how much shorter and lighter is a 300WSM than a 300Win mag in the same gun? I am all for a effecient hunting cartridge, that is why I shoot a 280 and not a 7mm mag, the 7 mag doesnt do hardly anything a 280 cant do other than burn alot of powder. My opinion on the short mags is not changed however. I personaly wont own one, my boss has a 300SAUM, I have shot it, I dont like it, he doesnt like it, said he would never own another short mag of any kind, it doesnt feed worth a damn out of the magazine, in the cold weather with gloves on the short fat cases are harder to load in the short action, brass cost more for it, alot less selection of factory loadings for it, more expensive factory loadings than a 300 Win mag, and who knows how long they will be arround, the 300 win mag has been arround for quite some time and isnt going anywhere.
Last edited by fritz1; 02-12-2011 at 07:34 AM.
02-12-2011, 07:47 AM
#15
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: ****ifornia
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It is 100% true that short fat cartridges are inherently more accurate then their longer counterparts, that said, pick whichever one you like. Either will kill an animal the same!
I also agree that the WSM's are here to stay, but if I was in the market for a .30 cal (I never will be) I would step up to the .300 RUM...
I also agree that the WSM's are here to stay, but if I was in the market for a .30 cal (I never will be) I would step up to the .300 RUM...
02-12-2011, 09:37 AM
#16
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 240
Ahh Jeepkid, you better never buy a good 30 Cal. I used to say the same thing; I'll never own one of those blasted things. Now I have a whole arsenal of them. The BC of those big bullets is too hard to beat.
No doubt the RUM is almost the KING of the 30's, it ranks right up there with the 30-378 and the multiple Weatherby improved casings. I have an improved version of the RUM that will beat the ballistics of the 30-378. They both have downfalls, the brass for the 30-378 is just about unaffordable and the brass for the RUM is hard to come by, Barrel life on both sucks. But when you can send a 240 grain SMK out over 2900fps and have 1500ftlbs of energy at a 1000 yards, that’s just plain impressive
No doubt the RUM is almost the KING of the 30's, it ranks right up there with the 30-378 and the multiple Weatherby improved casings. I have an improved version of the RUM that will beat the ballistics of the 30-378. They both have downfalls, the brass for the 30-378 is just about unaffordable and the brass for the RUM is hard to come by, Barrel life on both sucks. But when you can send a 240 grain SMK out over 2900fps and have 1500ftlbs of energy at a 1000 yards, that’s just plain impressive
02-12-2011, 09:42 AM
#17
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 240
RR, the numbers I posted are accurate and shot over a crony, Granted my WSM's are full out customs, but the WM is a Sendaro. There just isn't any argument, the WSM is more efficiant. In a WM you need 9 extra grains of powder to drive a bullet that weighs 20 grains less the same speed as the WSM. I'm not saying the WM cannot achive the same speed, it just takes more powder to do so.
02-12-2011, 09:50 AM
#18
Giant Nontypical
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But again, an animal won't EVER know the difference between any of them
02-12-2011, 02:48 PM
#20
Fork Horn
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Posts: 240
RR, what now you don't belive me?? I didn't even look at the Hodgdon data, If that is the same then I guess so. Actually it's 2929 with a 10 shot average. I can run it hotter but that is where it shots best. Your not comparing apples to apples, I don't care what a 308 or 06 does because neither compares to what were talking about.
Bottom line is if you put equal amounts of powder in a WSM and a WM the WSM will shoot faster. I'm not agruing that one is superior to the other but a WSM will hold it's own against the WM, That's just a fact you or nobody else can argue.
Bottom line is if you put equal amounts of powder in a WSM and a WM the WSM will shoot faster. I'm not agruing that one is superior to the other but a WSM will hold it's own against the WM, That's just a fact you or nobody else can argue.