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#121
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 273
Hometheaterman, you might want to check this pole, for some reason your beloved Vortex's didnt even make the poll. The clear winner here is Leuopld by a vast majority! It looks to me the perferd hunting set up by a large majority of the hunters happens to be a Remington topped off with a Leupold! No big surprise! Like I said earlier, wisdom comes in large polls of people, not from a couple of opinionated people that just cause they own something automatically think its the best. Here are the results, read them and weap, no Vortexs are even concidered.
Bushnell 214 14.44%
Leupold 600 40.49%
Simmons 86 5.80%
Tasco 46 3.10%
Zeiss 122 8.23%
Swaroski 76 5.13%
Redfield 34 2.29%
Weaver 26 1.75%
other 278 18.76%
Bushnell 214 14.44%
Leupold 600 40.49%
Simmons 86 5.80%
Tasco 46 3.10%
Zeiss 122 8.23%
Swaroski 76 5.13%
Redfield 34 2.29%
Weaver 26 1.75%
other 278 18.76%
#122
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 273
I have to admit. Out of all the guns, the biggest gimic out there is T/C encore. In the end, you got a pokesalker for 7 bills with an action twice as weak as a bolt. Insane. Can't say much, I fell for it.
#123
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 3,329
This discussion is proof that you can find statistics to support any argument.
This type of argument cannot be solved by internet poll data. There's a reason why people choose they way they do and it's usually because it's all they know.
The 700 is more than an adequate rifle. Doesn't make it a great rifle. Doesn't make it without fault etc....
There is something to be said for when the designer of a rifle trigger speaks out about his own design being flawed and everyone just turns a blind eye...including Remington Inc.
Proof again folks don't want to admit they have made a mistake or been had or what ever.
Tom
This type of argument cannot be solved by internet poll data. There's a reason why people choose they way they do and it's usually because it's all they know.
The 700 is more than an adequate rifle. Doesn't make it a great rifle. Doesn't make it without fault etc....
There is something to be said for when the designer of a rifle trigger speaks out about his own design being flawed and everyone just turns a blind eye...including Remington Inc.
Proof again folks don't want to admit they have made a mistake or been had or what ever.
Tom
#124
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MN USA
Posts: 1,392
I used to think their model 700's were great rifles. Then I heard the designer (now retired) of that rifle admit that there has been a known problem with a certain % of these rifles safety mechanisms from nearly the start. When the safety is pushed of the rifle has fired without any pressure or even touching the trigger in a certain % of the rifles. No way to tell which might do this, until it happens. (I know, you've never had it happen with yours. But all it takes is a small % that do and a tragedy is just around the corner.)
It may be a small % of the rifles that have this problem. But I'd hate to end up with one that does. Remington's top Exec under tremendous pressure and evidence finally admitted in legal deposition that this is true. Their solution... a campaign to never point the rifle in a direction that might shoot someone. Duhhh! Of course, but you never want a firearm to discharge on it's own either!!
Remington never recalled the 700 models safety assemblies, because the cost to do so has gone from what would originally been a few cents parts + labor 40-50 years ago to several hundred $ per rifle now. Trying to cover up problems and hope no one notices never is the right choice.
It may be a small % of the rifles that have this problem. But I'd hate to end up with one that does. Remington's top Exec under tremendous pressure and evidence finally admitted in legal deposition that this is true. Their solution... a campaign to never point the rifle in a direction that might shoot someone. Duhhh! Of course, but you never want a firearm to discharge on it's own either!!
Remington never recalled the 700 models safety assemblies, because the cost to do so has gone from what would originally been a few cents parts + labor 40-50 years ago to several hundred $ per rifle now. Trying to cover up problems and hope no one notices never is the right choice.
Last edited by MinnFinn; 03-03-2011 at 06:11 PM.
#125
I used to think their model 700's were great rifles. Then I heard the designer (now retired) of that rifle admit that there has been a known problem with a certain % of these rifles safety mechanisms from nearly the start. When the safety is pushed of the rifle has fired without any pressure or even touching the trigger in a certain % of the rifles. No way to tell which might do this, until it happens. (I know, you've never had it happen with yours. But all it takes is a small % that do and a tragedy is just around the corner.)
It may be a small % of the rifles that have this problem. But I'd hate to end up with one that does. Remington's top Exec under tremendous pressure and evidence finally admitted in legal deposition that this is true. Their solution... a campaign to never point the rifle in a direction that might shoot someone. Duhhh! Of course, but you never want a firearm to discharge on it's own either!!
Remington never recalled the 700 models safety assemblies, because the cost to do so has gone from what would originally been a few cents parts + labor 40-50 years ago to several hundred $ per rifle now. Trying to cover up problems and hope no one notices never is the right choice.
It may be a small % of the rifles that have this problem. But I'd hate to end up with one that does. Remington's top Exec under tremendous pressure and evidence finally admitted in legal deposition that this is true. Their solution... a campaign to never point the rifle in a direction that might shoot someone. Duhhh! Of course, but you never want a firearm to discharge on it's own either!!
Remington never recalled the 700 models safety assemblies, because the cost to do so has gone from what would originally been a few cents parts + labor 40-50 years ago to several hundred $ per rifle now. Trying to cover up problems and hope no one notices never is the right choice.
Last edited by JW; 03-04-2011 at 07:00 AM.
#126
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,519
I didn't watch it, but there was apparently a show on CNBC about this with these people being interviewed. So it's not like he just pulled it out of his ****.
Last edited by JW; 03-04-2011 at 06:59 AM. Reason: language
#127
Maybe he pulled it out of your ***************
Last edited by JW; 03-04-2011 at 06:56 AM. Reason: Poor language will get you in trouble - last warning
#128
This so called safety problem has exisited for years, People have even sued Remington for it. If you make a product and sell a butt load of it, there is always going to be someone that trys and sue you. There will also be a precentage of product failures. There has to be. No product can be made perfect. I have owned a ton of their rifles and my friends have owned a ton of them, none of us have ever had a problem. Is there a tiny pecentage of them out there that has a problem, there has to be.
When someone does something stupid, like shooting their rifle accidently, the first thing they do is blame the product. This is where most of this BS comes from. It's human nature.
Remington has sold so many more rifles than any other manufacturer, they have to top the list of these so called product failures. It's a math thing.
When someone does something stupid, like shooting their rifle accidently, the first thing they do is blame the product. This is where most of this BS comes from. It's human nature.
Remington has sold so many more rifles than any other manufacturer, they have to top the list of these so called product failures. It's a math thing.