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need a new shotgun, dove to geese

I have decided I want to get a semi auto 12ga. I grew up hunting whitewing but have not hunted much else birdwise, plan on waterfowl, upland, geese and turkey. I have a handful of shotguns but no semi autos. Was planning on trading in my 870 Magnum for a semi auto, preferrably a Remington 1100/1187 since I have all the chokes including a TruGlo turkey choke, but doesn't have to be.

Any suggestions on a decent, reliable, not too pricey semi? I kow I can get a smoking deal on an older gun at my local shop (got my buddy a nice Browning Lite 12 for $300) but many older ones are 2 3/4" only and some do not take choke tubes.

Like to keep it under $500 and have no problem with used.

Buy used then !

One of the three B's; Browning, Beretta & Benilli.

Browning's don't wear out, they wear in !!!

not opposed to used at all, generally prefer it in fact?

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Originally Posted by Sheridan (Post 3754974)

Buy used then !

One of the three B's; Browning, Beretta & Benilli.

Browning's don't wear out, they wear in !!!

Browning will last your's plus lifetimes!!! Buy one and you will see.:s4:

In that price range I would go with the Mossberg 930 or Stoeger 2000.

i agree with vadeerkiller mossburg shotguns take a beating and keep going

Since you have all the choke tubes I'd go 1187. There extremely durable shotguns I love mine. I mainly use two shotguns out of the 10 I own. They are a Remington 870 and 1187. Browning and beretta shotguns are nice but I still like the 1187 better. I also prefer to buy used so if your ok with it find one I got my 1187 premier used at a pawnshop for 300 out the door.

If you get an older gun make sure you get a steel shot barrel or you won't be shooting waterfowl, unless you want to hunt with only the pricier Bismuth or one of the Tungsten alloy shells.

If it won't take steel shot it won't take Tungsten and Bismuth. They're too hard also.

found a gently used Benelli Super Black Eagle II for $700 today, put it on layaway.

Just got a flyer from Cabelas and they have a Weatherby Pump 12ga. 3" and synthetic, for $239. They also have a Stoeger P350 12ga in 3", 28" barrel and synthetic as well for $269. Remington 870 Express, 12ga, 3", 28"barrel, synthetic, for $269. Sale ends 01-30-11.

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Originally Posted by hookeye (Post 3761408)

Sorry man.

Steel shot may be hard, but the wadding is thicker to protect the barrel. The issue is choke. Steel doesn't compress as well when passing through tighter chokes. Fixed choke single barrel guns up to Mod can usually run steel OK.

Double barrels of thin wall may not use steel due to the stresses where the barrels join. Ruger says their Redlabels can take steel to a certain choke, but that while it is OK, there may be a comsetic issue with usage (ring at choketube junction over time).

Note that Bismuth is recommended by high end double barrel shotgun manufacturers.

No to steel, yes to bismuth, in guns costing as much as cars (or more).

Choke tube guns: some barrels are of shorter length choke, and usually have steel shot chokes where the constriction is ahead of the threads- they usually stick out a bit from the barrel.

Example: Mossberg (Accuchoke)/Winchester( Winchoke)/Weatherby/Browning (Invector) chokes.

Lead ones were flush fitting. Steel shot rated ones were extended.

Browning later went to Invector Plus which is like a Remchoke, longer. Steel shot rated ones are flush fitting as are most lead ones, but super tight turkey chokes are still extended (lead shot only).Mossberg went to the Accumag tubes on their 835/935s and they too are longer like a Remchoke, are flush fit steel shot rated.

The reason Browning went to the Investor Plus was they began to overbore the barrels and the chokes do not interchange with standard Browning Invector barrels. The Invector plus barrels are overbored to allow the wad to pass with less fricton, resulting in less felt recoil, meaning better patterns and longer shooting sessions. They also began to lengthen the forcing cones which as well played into better patterns and less felt recoil. It has nothing to do with steel or lead as being flush mounted tubes.
The Extended Turkey tubes are also not just rated for lead only. Have you looked at the tubes for Hevi-Shot or Dead Coyote?

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Originally Posted by hookeye (Post 3762664)

So then 20 gauges using Invector Plus are also overbored, and Remington by having comparable length choketubes should be overbored, even though they aren't ;)

It does not have anything to do with the over all length of the tube. It is the inside diameter that means OVERbored, meaning it is larger than standard diameter. Browning is the only company using the Invector Plus. That is a Browning trade mark.

Benelli M2. Boom, Boom, Boom!

It's more up front $. However, consider it amortized of the next 20 years for a very reliable, simple easy to break down, clear and assemble shotgun....
(The only caviat is that it takes a minimum of around 3 dram equivalent, like most trap loads, to properly cycle for your doves, clays, etc.) For waterfowl, it's a great, reliable shotgun in all types of weather.
You can't beat it! Just ask "The Duck Men"!:s3: