need a new shotgun, dove to geese
01-23-2011, 08:18 AM
#12
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,834
Just got a flyer from Cabelas and they have a Weatherby Pump 12ga. 3" and synthetic, for $239. They also have a Stoeger P350 12ga in 3", 28" barrel and synthetic as well for $269. Remington 870 Express, 12ga, 3", 28"barrel, synthetic, for $269. Sale ends 01-30-11.
01-23-2011, 08:29 AM
#13
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,834
Sorry man.
Steel shot may be hard, but the wadding is thicker to protect the barrel. The issue is choke. Steel doesn't compress as well when passing through tighter chokes. Fixed choke single barrel guns up to Mod can usually run steel OK.
Double barrels of thin wall may not use steel due to the stresses where the barrels join. Ruger says their Redlabels can take steel to a certain choke, but that while it is OK, there may be a comsetic issue with usage (ring at choketube junction over time).
Note that Bismuth is recommended by high end double barrel shotgun manufacturers.
No to steel, yes to bismuth, in guns costing as much as cars (or more).
Choke tube guns: some barrels are of shorter length choke, and usually have steel shot chokes where the constriction is ahead of the threads- they usually stick out a bit from the barrel.
Example: Mossberg (Accuchoke)/Winchester( Winchoke)/Weatherby/Browning (Invector) chokes.
Lead ones were flush fitting. Steel shot rated ones were extended.
Browning later went to Invector Plus which is like a Remchoke, longer. Steel shot rated ones are flush fitting as are most lead ones, but super tight turkey chokes are still extended (lead shot only).Mossberg went to the Accumag tubes on their 835/935s and they too are longer like a Remchoke, are flush fit steel shot rated.
Steel shot may be hard, but the wadding is thicker to protect the barrel. The issue is choke. Steel doesn't compress as well when passing through tighter chokes. Fixed choke single barrel guns up to Mod can usually run steel OK.
Double barrels of thin wall may not use steel due to the stresses where the barrels join. Ruger says their Redlabels can take steel to a certain choke, but that while it is OK, there may be a comsetic issue with usage (ring at choketube junction over time).
Note that Bismuth is recommended by high end double barrel shotgun manufacturers.
No to steel, yes to bismuth, in guns costing as much as cars (or more).
Choke tube guns: some barrels are of shorter length choke, and usually have steel shot chokes where the constriction is ahead of the threads- they usually stick out a bit from the barrel.
Example: Mossberg (Accuchoke)/Winchester( Winchoke)/Weatherby/Browning (Invector) chokes.
Lead ones were flush fitting. Steel shot rated ones were extended.
Browning later went to Invector Plus which is like a Remchoke, longer. Steel shot rated ones are flush fitting as are most lead ones, but super tight turkey chokes are still extended (lead shot only).Mossberg went to the Accumag tubes on their 835/935s and they too are longer like a Remchoke, are flush fit steel shot rated.
The Extended Turkey tubes are also not just rated for lead only. Have you looked at the tubes for Hevi-Shot or Dead Coyote?
01-29-2011, 04:43 PM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,834
It does not have anything to do with the over all length of the tube. It is the inside diameter that means OVERbored, meaning it is larger than standard diameter. Browning is the only company using the Invector Plus. That is a Browning trade mark.
01-30-2011, 12:59 PM
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MN USA
Posts: 1,392
Benelli M2. Boom, Boom, Boom!
It's more up front $. However, consider it amortized of the next 20 years for a very reliable, simple easy to break down, clear and assemble shotgun....
(The only caviat is that it takes a minimum of around 3 dram equivalent, like most trap loads, to properly cycle for your doves, clays, etc.) For waterfowl, it's a great, reliable shotgun in all types of weather.
You can't beat it! Just ask "The Duck Men"!
It's more up front $. However, consider it amortized of the next 20 years for a very reliable, simple easy to break down, clear and assemble shotgun....
(The only caviat is that it takes a minimum of around 3 dram equivalent, like most trap loads, to properly cycle for your doves, clays, etc.) For waterfowl, it's a great, reliable shotgun in all types of weather.
You can't beat it! Just ask "The Duck Men"!
Last edited by MinnFinn; 01-30-2011 at 01:02 PM.
