.270 WSM vs .270 Weatherby
 

Ok, first off want to say to everyone hope you all have a Merry Christmas.Enjoy it cause we only got 2 more before the World ends.LOL Anyways this is more of a 2 part question. I was at my parents the other night and my cousinis interested in a new factory rifle in a .270 mag version.I don't know anything about these calibers cause I don't own anything in the .270 category.He does own the.270 Win but desires a rifle that can offer some better performance without causing him to flinch..He wants to know which cal. maybe better suited for the brand of rifle he chooses.He wants to go into the store find rifle that fits him, and is in his budget,and is dependable, in
either of these 2 calibers and purchase it.The first thing I told him was if he wants to shoot to shoot a heavier grain bullet (cause he is gonna use it for long range deer in the Alpine and both elk and moose later in the year) he will want a fast twist rate barrel. I notice in the Barnes reloading manual that a 1-9.5 twist is recomended for a 150 gr. Is there a production rifle made that has this twist rate or is
1-10 the fastest one can get. And is a 1-10 be used on a 140 gr bullet.Next one caliber is belted the other is not, does one have an
advantage over the other when the are feeding cartriges in either a
push feed or controlled round feed action.I have heared rumers that
the WSM sometimes can get jammed in a controlled round feed action but I am not sure. Any facts on this comment weather it be true or
false would be appreciated on this.I have heared the .270 WSM is a
very accurate caliber and lots of makes and models offer this and for
the most part hunters seem like it. I don't know about the Weatherby
though. I heard lots of good things about this caliber in the Vanguard but the MarkV not so much. Many are left disapointed with the Mark V but I know other manufactures make this cal. and seem to be extremly happy with accuracy.I personally think he won't choose the Weatherby make anyway cause of the weight issue, but he is a Bull when it comes to packing and hiking he's got the same condition I do abnormally high levels of hemoglobin.But other than price what are other charactoristics between these 2 calibers that would help to pursude him toward one caliber so he can decide what make and models to try out.Thanks guys.

I still hunt with my old 270-Winchester for deer & antelope every year. I was almost sold on the 270-WSM when it first hit the market. I just did not see the gain in preformance to justify the cost.
Tell him to look at the 270-Weatherby before he commits to the 270-WSM.
Anything the 270-WSM can do the 270-Weatherby can do better.:wink:

I would go with the Weatherby, it has been arround for a long time, cant say the short mag will, I think its popularity is starting to fizzle. As far as the Mark V and the Vangaurd, the Mark V is a far superior rifle, and its made in America, wereas the Vangaurd is made by Howa in Japan. BUY AMERICAN!!!!!!!

there are only 2- 270's I would consider, the .270win and the .270wsm

If I wanted a 270wby, I'd get a .257wby, or a 7mm wby, or a .300wby

does he want more performance or is he buying thhe new caliber hype.

First off just want to say min .270 caliber. We have alot of Blacks and Grizzly bears that may have to be dealt with. We are in pairs at all times one shooter one spotter.When gutting and packing, groups of 4 to 6 with two fully armed.I mean there us alot. We see at least 1 sometimes as many as 5 under 1000yrds at a day over that distance 10 -15. But we are not going below .270 cal. Not saying it's the best cal for bears but a .270 in a mag will help out in this situation more so than a 6.5 x284 6.5 Gibbs or 257 Weatherby.
But to get back on topic,I think he wants a little of both.I didn't call him on it though. He wants a little flatter shooting and harder hitiing and a little less bullet movement from wind. at a little longer distance. We hunt alot of Alpine and in alot of placed it's like a bald Chineese Mans head. Absolutly no cover just moss and lichen very
little grass or trees. Shots can be quite long and without a rangefinder
quite deseaving to hunters.300 yrds is the norm before you start
second guessing yourself about trying to get closer, and the outside is 550 yrds.I know the .270 Win can do it for deer and sheep throughout alot of these distances depending on cirmstance but yeah
I think he feels undergunned when it comes to longer shots, undergunned when it comes to have to deal with bears, and very bored of the .270Win.

Did he consider the 7mm rem mag.?Shoots flat like the .270 and hits like the .06

I noticed You stated your Friend wanted a better performing Rifle that wouldn't make him flinch?If You go with any Magnum or WSM Rifle it is going to have a little more felt-recoil.Any ways...I have a Browning bolt-action .270 WSM and it is a much faster bullet that will reach out further than a standard .270 Rifle,it will have more recoil with it being a WSM Rifle and unless You reload your own brass the shells will cost around $30.00 to $40.00 per box of 20 shells.I'm shooting Winchester 150 grain soft-point bullets,You could get other grain bullets that would be lighter but I wanted a heavier bullet for Deer Hunting?I know some guys that have been using 130 grain Ballistic-tip bullets on Whitetails but those could damage meat if they were to hit solid bone...personally I would only use a Ballistic-tip bullet on Predators or Varmints!

The 270WSM or WBY isn't going to do a dang thing that the regular ole 270 cant already do.

As factory loaded in equal length barrels with 130 trophy bonded tipped bullets you are only going to gain about 5.5" in trajectory and 1.8" less wind drift at 500 yards.

If he wants a .270 magnum then I certainly won't try to talk him out of it but if he thinks that one of the .270 magnums is going to give him some kind of magical advantage in the field then he is dreaming.

Both guns will perform well. The Tikka T3 Lite and Rem LTR
have out preformed any factory gun I have owned. The T3 is a 270wsm, and shot four different factory loads under 1 inch. This was the
only gun hitting the same location on the paper as the other loads. The Rem Premier Accutip 150's shot the best. The energy down range
was better than some 7mm's, and 300's. The gun is very lite for alpine hiking. I have a load that preforms like the Accutip's if you have a hard time locating them.
I pulled this gun out on my friends at the long range. Stock trigger, Ziess 6.5x20 50mm and factory ammo. At 600 yrds it took $3500 gun
with $2500 Night Force optics, custom loads to out preform the Tikka.
We have shot many Wsm's 7mm thumbs up, Saum in .300 thumbs up.

Scott,

Very nicely put! I agree.

I agree that the .270 Win is the best performer in that bullet diameter class. I agree that the 7mm Rem Mag is better than either of the other 2 magnums he is wanting to purchase. He is recoil shy, he shot his dads 8mm Rem Nag when he was a teenager and it smacked his face something fierce.Most of the guys in our crew, hunt with a 7mm RM and .300 Win Mag.I don't know if he has given the 7mm RM any thought, but I will suggest it to him. It is a comfortable rifle to shoot in a magnum, I don't know if it recoils more than a .270 Weatherby or .270 WSM cause None of us have ever fired one. But I do know that there doesn't seem to be a real noticeable difference in recoil over a 3006 and a 7mm RM cause I have shot them.But yeah I will suggest the 7mm RM to Dave and tell him to take the caliber into consideration for sure. I will show him this thread..Hopefully he has an open mind to it.I know he is scared of the .300 hundreds he told me it was a mental thing.He has tried his brothers .300 Win in front of us before, and before he pulls the trigger he's got his eyes closed and his cheek is turned.So he does have a huge mental issue when it comes to heavier recoiling rifles. But the 7mm might be right up his
ally.I will call him and suggest he tries testing some out.

Have a brake put on the gun, it will take the big kick out. Most
of all if you don't have a spotter you will be able to get feedback on your shot. A light magnum it will be very hard to stay down on your target. Long open range hunting usally requires more then one shot.

9lb rifle 7mm RM 160g @ 2950 20.3 recoil energy
8lb rifle 30.06 180g @2700 20.3 recoil energy
9.25lb rifle 270 weatherby mag 150g @ 3000 17.8 recoil energy
8lb rifle 270wsm 150g @ 3000 18.9 recoil energy
8lb rifle 270win. 150g @2900 17.0 recoil energy

Took this off of Chuck Hawks recoil table.Total rifle wieghts include scopes, mounts & any other options you might have on the gun

I have shot the 270 Bee for a lot of years. have gone through half a dozen of them. They are extremely flat, and easy to reload.There is nothing in North America that I would back down from with it. I am saving the pennies to get another Mark V for next season. The 270 Bee has a 400+ fps advantage over the 270 Winchester with a good handload. My 140's are cruising across the chrony at a little better than 3400 fps. The 150's are at 3300. I have never had to chase anything that I have shot with it, be it bear elk moose or gopher. It plain works, and is pleasant to fire.