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huntard 10-05-2010 11:54 AM

Some questions about rifles for coyote's.
 
So i'm interested in buying the savage edge xp that comes with a scope, but my problem is that i dont know too much about ammo or what the difference between them will be when hunting coyotes/turkeys. I want something thats great on range, accurate, and isnt too expensive, but isnt overkill for a coyote thats 100 yards out, and in a stretch accurately hitting at 200 maybe up to 400 yards out.

I can get this gun in 8 different calibers:

22-250 REM 1 in 12"
223 REM 1 in 9"
243 WIN 1 in 9.25"
25-06 REM 1 in 10"
270 WIN 1 in 10"
30-06 SPFLD 1 in 10"
308 WIN 1 in 10" 22"
7MM-08 REM 1 in 11.5"

any input will help, thanks.

huntard 10-05-2010 12:06 PM

esentially i dont know the difference between the calibers what the pro's and cons and differences between each type is.

Big Z 10-05-2010 01:20 PM

I've ran the 223 to 400 without any trouble. The 22-250 is another varmint rifle. The 243 and 25-06 could be considered "crossovers" for varmint/medium game. The rest are generally accepted as common deer sized rifles. Not saying the 223 can't take deer and the 308 can't take yotes.

huntard 10-05-2010 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Big Z (Post 3696122)
I've ran the 223 to 400 without any trouble. The 22-250 is another varmint rifle. The 243 and 25-06 could be considered "crossovers" for varmint/medium game. The rest are generally accepted as common deer sized rifles. Not saying the 223 can't take deer and the 308 can't take yotes.

So how do the 223 and the 22-250 differ from each other in terms of range, and power, and also price of ammunition? Also the 243 and 25-06 as well?

BC Cowboy 10-05-2010 02:10 PM

the 22-250 is an amazing little predator gun! It will reach out and touch something!! The .204 is a wicked little rifle for that too! And wolves and coyotes don't stand a chance!!

huntard 10-05-2010 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by BC Cowboy (Post 3696172)
the 22-250 is an amazing little predator gun! It will reach out and touch something!! The .204 is a wicked little rifle for that too! And wolves and coyotes don't stand a chance!!

can the savage edge shoot .204, and how do the 2 compare against each other in regards to ammo price accuracy and range?

Sheridan 10-05-2010 04:01 PM

.22-250 Accurate and range.

.223 Least expensive to shoot.

.243 Range under windy conditions and the ability to step up to deer size animals by using bigger bullets.

Vapodog 10-05-2010 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Sheridan (Post 3696261)
.22-250 Accurate and range.

.223 Least expensive to shoot.

.243 Range under windy conditions and the ability to step up to deer size animals by using bigger bullets.

Excellent post.....

The .243 is a marvelous varmint rifle for coyotes.....use the 55-58 grain bullets and it'll amaze you.....step up to 100 grains and it puts venison in the freezer....it's a superb cartridge.

Big Z 10-05-2010 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by huntard (Post 3696165)
So how do the 223 and the 22-250 differ from each other in terms of range, and power, and also price of ammunition? Also the 243 and 25-06 as well?

They 223 is cheaper, assuming the same bullet/manufacturer. The 22-250 is more powerful. The range will be limited more by the rifle's and the user's abilities than the cartridge...though the 22-250s higher velocity will yield flatter trajectories and less wind drift. The 243 and 25-06 are more than capable deer cartridges, but the availability of lightweight bullets with explosive performance give them the 'crossover' name for varmints. I wouldn't have an eye on them unless you're willing to pay more for ammunition or need the extra juice for deer (I wouldn't have a problem using the 223 for deer to a reasonable range, with good bullets).

All-in-all I'd opt 223, and shoot more than less. Maybe get a nicer rifle/scope next in another caliber. The cheapy/beginner 223 will always have its place :s4:

Blackelk 10-06-2010 03:55 AM

I love the 22-250 but I'm about to sit down for hours to load another 1000 rounds of ammo for it. Yes you can buy it but it's more expensive and less accurate. So that's my draw back on it.

The .223 guys can buy theirs buy the 1000's for the prices where who cares if it's not match grade ammo. And it will work perfect for coyotes.

I like the one gun for all around concept. I'd pick the 270 win. Doesn't tear up a coyote any worse than any other gun most times. Coyote, and anything else in north america.

Nomercy448 10-06-2010 01:29 PM

The difference between the .22-250 and the .223rem is about 10% velocity, 20% in energy.

I used a .22-250 in high school and college for yotes and benchrest shooting, but switched over to a .223rem a few years back when I changed over to a heavy barreled AR-15. To keep things simple (haha, at least in theory), we got a .223rem bolt action for my fiancee's coyote rig.

In my experience, the only practical difference between the two is the cost. The .22-250 is often in a long action, while the .223 is in a short action. The .22-250 is a larger case, i.e. more powder = more cost. Most of my loads used magnum primers for the .22-250, while the .223 can use standard primers. Brass for the .223 is considerably cheaper than the .22-250 also. So for the volume shooters, like benchrest shooters and varminters, the .223 is much cheaper.

The power difference is essentially moot, if you hit a coyote with a .223rem, it will die, just the same as it will with a .22-250. The velocity difference makes the .22-250 a slightly flatter shooting round, but it DOESN'T mean a difference of feet vs inches. I looked up a load for both with the same 50grn bullet zeroed at 100yrds, the .223 drops 24", while the .22-250 drops 18". 6" seems like a lot, but you're already holding over 18", shooter skill and estimation accuracy will be MUCH more important than the velocity/drop difference.

The .243win is a great cartridge too. The ability to handle heavier bullets, and the higher powder capacity makes it MUCH more versatile than the other 22cal's. However, the price to play is much higher. Whether you're reloading or buying factory ammo, the .243win costs at least 50% more to shoot than the 22cals.

Personally, if you're on a tight budget so you can only afford ONE rifle and you're looking to get a versatile rifle that can pull duty as a deer rifle OR varmint rifle, offering precise bullet placement over LONG ranges, a .308win or .300WSM in a heavy barrel is the way to go.

Off your list, I'd personally get the .223rem, then get a .300wsm later for the bigger stuff. If you're limited to ONE gun, then get a .308 or .300wsm... And reload...

hanks396 10-06-2010 04:23 PM

If you expect to shoot 400 yards with any regularity I would go with either a 22-250 or .243. I don't know how set you are on buying the Edge, but I think you can get more rifle for the money buy going with the Marlin XS7. The Edge has a very mediocre trigger and is a long action, even for the short action chamberings. I would also take a hard look at the T/C Venture for very little more money. I have one in .243. The trigger is great and accuracy is outstanding. They guarantee 1 MOA. They also have a $50 mail in rebate on the Venture right now.


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