scope help
 

lookin for new scope for my marlin 512 any ideas thinkin about nikon slugmaster anythin will beat this tasco it came with.

and to uncle norby the brenekee ko shot awsome along with win. bri was close to same patt. touchin @ 50 if not hair line close but think scope was movin
and the federal tru ball expensive yet not all that graet i see what u ment by finding a slower velocity shot thanks

I'm not a fan of Nikon scopes but there are folks that swear by them. To me they have to little parallax tolerance which makes getting a sight picture more difficult.

Tom

Never had any trouble with my Monarchs. Brighter than my VX II's.

Good optics but I totally agree. I have two monarchs. Clear as a bell but easy to lose sight picture.

Wow. I thought I was the only one. All I ever here are people talking highly of Nikon optics. I even feel the same way about the range finder that I own. Same issue.

Tom

Nope, its thier design to keep parallax down. Can be viewed as a good thing, but in a hunting situation, can be a pain.

That's why I prefer Leupold's or Zeiss' for my hunting rigs. For my Varmint rigs it's not that much of an issue due to the low recoil.

I believe it boils down to consistent cheek weld, proper rifle fit, and scope alignment.

Maybe someone could explain parallax...

Something tells me I shouldn't but here it goes. Guess I feel nice today.

Its the targets relative movement with eye position. Unless you can hold your eye position the exact same to 2mm, your going to have it with any scope. Most rifle scopes are set to 150 yards. Slug scopes for 75 yards. At these ranges you could move your head side to side (if you got sight picture) and should see the crosshair stay dead on the target. But when you move out to 500 or 900 yards, you will see crosshairs come off your target as you move side to side. Hense the need for adjustable parallax.

Even then with AO, its not accurate. Its difficult to design in AO for any optics devise. nanometers of movement makes incredible change.

This is the reason some long range shooters try to adjust out thier parallax using ocular changes (focus). It kinda works.

Wow, you didn't even call me names...

Does it have anything to do with "blackout" when you're not aligned correctly? Or is that something different?

So essentially, since the cross hairs are about 8" from your eye, and the target 300 yards, you're looking around them, so to speak?

No and yes. Nikon designs it so parallax will be min when you hit the edge of view. Where Leupold and others designs it so you can go outside the range.

In other words, you lose sight pic with nikon before parralax gets too bad.

So would Nikon be better suited for long range shooting or is there a point where it wouldn't make a difference between the two?

I like nikon for my LR. For Long range, leupold gets much more expensive. I like the Leupold M4 also for long range. but it runs 20% more for comparible Nikon.

I have a few target monarchs. Honestly if you have target turrets and AO, either works for me. You adjust out the parallax with both depending on your yardage.

Niether can adjust out mirage however. On a hot summer morning, it affects you targets real position relative to your eye too.

Interesting. I like the side adjustment on the new Monarchs.. Been thinking about putting together a 500 yard rig. 500? only because that's the back of my range. Not really looking for a target set up, but not really looking to do much long range hunting either...more for poops, giggles, and shear boredom..

You guys have it down to an art:party0005:
Absolutely right on all counts:happy0001:

Parralux is relative in all scopes and each individual has their own tolerance to it as stated. The key is sight alignment to the rifle, shotgun, pistol, sling shot, whatever fit's YOU! Most people unless they shoot ALOT have not a clue about Parallux and the change in POI or aim for that matter. Thanks guys for making a true life post on this thread:woot:

JM2Cents............

This thread has become more complex than it needs to be. The Slugmaster is a great scope for your shotgun. It is bright and clear and does everything you need it to out to 150 yards. I have one as do two of my friends and I have never heard a complaint from them or anyone else for that matter. I also have a Leupold VX-I on another slug gun and a Zeiss Conquest on a muzzleloader. They too are great scopes, but not really necessary as the Nikon Slugmaster (while maybe not quite as good) is more than sufficient. In fact, I like it better than the Leupold personally. The rest of the technical jargon is fun to throw around in deer camp, but in most cases won't help you shoot your next deer.

That sounds like too much common sense for most people...............



Do you mean to say that you've tried it and it works well !?!?



What a concept....................but that's just your opinion, right !?



Good for you !!!

Deer forum is up top. This is the shooting forum. Most of us here shoot and shoot alot and not always just your one week a year deer.

thanks i am goin to go with that nikon or a small leupold just because the scope will cost more then what i paid for gun dont want to get to tech. with it just my first slug gun so i got time to play. unless i find used one

Glad to hear you found some slugs the gun shoots well. As I said before, Brenneke makes more than one slug under the KO label. The KO Sabot is what I use. They also make a hybrid style slug called a KO. If you shoot hybrids or slugs like the True-ball, be sure to check the bore for leading.

It's not uncommon...Just make sure you don't skimp on the mounts. Not the place to save money.

i have weaver mounts on it so ill stick with those will probly latr changs ring size so can gain under sights back

You might want to hold up on the scope lift kit. Don't waste your money on "See-Thru" rings. Not unless you want a knot on top of your head trying to shoot iron sights or struggle seeing through the scope.

yeah i know that feeling i got it 1 time already ...could went with little smaller gun cause im just little fellow but good deal on 3 in