Revolver cal question
 

While deer hunting this year I encountered a situation that has encouraged me to purchase a side arm. I hunt with a single shot Ruger. and on the third day of hunting while leaving my stand I was accosted by a dog pack (4) I was in a spot, not really know what to do I shot the biggest one, (thinking he was the leader) they ran and I had time to reload, and dispatched one more after walking a few yards, this is fairly remote area so I was surprised to have seen them. the rest of the season I hunted with a pump action rifle and did not encounter anything. what bothered me the most is that I usually try and get to my stand very early and had this encounter occurred then I am not sure just what would have happened. Now to my question, If I am going to buy a sidearm i might as well purchase one I can use for hunting, and I need help with a caliber, 357mag,
44mag??? I have a friend who has a .45 Ruger (single action) which is like new for sale and I can really get a good price on it, I am not that familiar with revolvers so I thought you guys could help me out,
is a .45 good enough or is it overkill, Thanks Doc

If it's a .45 Long Colt then there are loadings that will be fine for deer, but this cartridge is also popular with the Cowboy Action shooters and some loadings aren't very powerful...

I would guess that the 3-4 most popular revolver cartridges for deer hunting are the .44 Mag, the .41 Remington Mag, the .45 Long Colt and the .357 Mag...

Finally...My Glock 23 in .40 S&W is just as accurate as my Ruger Blackhawk in .357 Mag...For dispatching dogs, both work but the Glock holds more ammo but isn't legal here in NC for deer...

I would go with a .44 Rem. Mag. Good luck.

A 44mag would be a good choice I have a Ruger super blackhawk the Redhawk is very nice to

Thanks a lot!!!! You were a big help, up. I'll look for a .44 or .41 I was kind of thinking along those lines. I might grab that .45 though, it is a nice gun at a good price. Doc

You might want to go with the 44 mag. One good reason is it can also be used in rifles of that caliber ( Ruger Carbine, Winchester levers, etc ).

If you want the option of using it to hunt with as well, start by consulting the reg's for your state. Than, consider the barrel length and caliber options available to you. I believe that the .45LC is legal in most states for hunting.
I personally am leaning towards the .357 Ruger Redhawk. Because of the load variations available.

Get your friend's .45colt and load it up with a good medium to upper power level hollow points. Stay away from the low power cowboy loads except to practice. The Ruger will safely handle any .45colt loading. The .45colt Ruger will serve you just fine with some practice.

44 Mag, it would probably be the most effective without having to try to load it up and the over the counter options are very good. 45LC is good too, and can be loaded up to 44 mag levels, but like I said, it has to be loaded up. Both throw a huge chunk of lead though. The 357 Magnum would be another attractive option, just because it is so easy to shoot well and you also have the option with it of using 38 special in it to shoot it cheaper.

I assumed from your post that you want something for the dogs, but the recommendations seem to be for deer. The .44, .45LC, etc. are all good choices for deer, but these calibers are way over the top for dogs and similar size critters, unless you're shooting them at 75-100 yards. Also, ammo for these cannons is going to cost you a bunch.

I would recommend a .357. You can fire .38 special loads, both for practice and for carry (yes, I would use a .38 v. .357 for the dogs). If you want something that can be used for both dogs and deer, check your state regs.

I agree with the above poster... A .38 or a .357 is plenty for protection against dogs ..We're not talking determined attackers like grizzly bears here.. Most dogs are going to turn tail from just the SOUND of a gunshot..

The lighter weight of the .38/357 is an advantage... You are going to carry the thing a lot and chances of having to use it are slim.. I think that weighing yourself down with a heavier handgun is uneccessary...Get a decent 4" .38 or a light combat magnum in .357...

Another vote for a 4" .357. If I read the post correctly, you are not interested in hunting deer with the revolver, just use it for trail protection. You cna find a .357 that will weigh 32-36 ounces that will meet your needs.

Will

Handgun
 

Maybe the "judge" by taurus shoots .410 shot or .45 long colt

Alot, if not most new handgun shooters are thoroughly discouraged by the blast and recoil from a .44 or .45. Full blown .357 loads also will get your full attention.
A .357 at handgun distances is certainly capable of dropping deer with the right loads, and several manufacturers make fine lever actions for them.
The .357 will be more inexpensive to practice with- more shooting time= better shooting. The .357 offers anything from .38 wadcutter target loads to heavy 180 grain (last I checked) full magnum loads, a very versatile gun. Many of the old Alaska trappers carried a .22 as a side arm, and used them on everything from bears and wolves to partridge for the pot. Like some one else mentioned, after the noise of the first shot, generally any critter is going to high tail it out of there. The more compact and easy to carry the arm, the more likely you are to have it and shoot. 100 rds of .22= 4.00. 100 rounds of .38/357 45.00 (last time I checked... I reload).

DocD do you reload?

This is what I would do. Only because you said you could get the blackhawk at a good price.

You could then get a lever action in the same caliber. Nice to have both guns using the same caliber. I have the Marlin 1894 and Ruger both in .45.

Like mentioned, you need to purchase or load for it. All of the local stores around me only carry the cowboy action crap. I don't even practice with it. It's so low powered compared to the stuff I use, it has a different point of impact. I buy from Corbon or Buffalo Bore. I prefer the latter.

Good luck.

P.S. For the pack of dogs, I'd have used my lever gun anyway.

If you're wanting a double duty revolver to hunt deer with and to handle sticky situations like the one you mentioned, I'd go with a double action 44 mag, something like a S&W 629 with a 4" barrel. You can use full power mag loads for hunting and milder 44 special loads for practice and general carry. Check your state regs for barrel length requirements though. If you just want something to carry for backup, not hunting, a good med frame 357 mag will be more than adequate and lighter to carry.

I think the Taurus Judge would be a good one for you, load it up with some .410 buckshot loads, which are perfect for the encounter with stray dogs. It can be loaded with .45 long colt rounds too for hunting, though I don't consider it much of a hunting handgun. But it would be a great choice for the wild dogs scenario.

For hunting revolvers, I have several. All of them are single action Ruger revolvers. The .357 is a good round but is what I consider minimum for deer hunting and I would rather go with a larger revolver. The .41 magnum is nice, but there aren't a whole lot of factory ammo choices out there, but it packs more than enough punch for your deer hunting purposes. Federal loads a Barnes Expander bullet in .41 magnum that I really like. The .44 magnum is probably one of the best choices for hunting due to its large number of factory loads available out there. I am also a fan of the .45 long colt, it doesn't seem to have that heavy snapping recoil I feel with the .44 magnum, but shoots a big heavy bullet with plenty of velocity for putting down those deer like the .44 magnum. There use to not be so many factory rounds out there for the .45, but with the recent trend of cowboy shooting events really taking off, it is seeing some spark in factory loads again. I noticed that Hornady now makes a 225 grain FTX loading in .45 long colt I would like to try. There are of course larger calibers out there too, but to shoot one of those off rapidly as say a dog, would probably spark a miss.

Another option for ammo for nearly any of these revolvers, is some of the CCI shotshell ammo. It contains a large number of small bird shot. While not very lethal beyond 10 feet or so I would think, it would definately make a wild dog turn and run I suppose, and with its spread pattern may be a good choice. Maybe a variety of ammo loaded up in the revolver, shotshell then bullet, then shotshell and so on.

If you choose to go semi auto, the 10mm is about the only semi auto I consider for actual hunting purposes, but that is just me. If you do choose semi auto, check local and state laws. Here in Kentucky I believe the law states you will not have a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds in a gun while hunting. Even if you are not hunting with said handgun, the 10 round limit still exists too.

I personally have a 7 1/2" redhawk in 44 mag and just bought a ruger 77 in 44 mag also. I don't think a 44 would be overkill for dogs, and the 44 carbines are easier to find than some of the other calibers, but a 357/38 would certainly do the trick on dogs and even deer at close ranges. Good luck and let us know what you decide.

The .45 is a fine choice. If you need a heavier load, just order some Buffalo Bore.


I have a .357 Mag Ruger GP100, and wouldn't hestiate to use a .44 Mag. My woods gun however is a .41Rem Mag Blackhawk and where I live I need a bit more power than the .357. If you aren't worried about Grizzlies or Moose, anything you mentioned will do fine. But the .45 with the right load will be as good as the .41 Mag or .44 Mag. so you can't go wrong with it.

Just my 2 cents . By the 45 . Way out west here with a little shopping loads can be found from 185 jhp and lrn to the 300 grn Cor-Bon swc . Even the 255 cowboy loads produce nearly the energy of the 357 mag 158 gr pick a flavor bullets and make a bigger hole going in . Shooting cost the down side of the 45 Colts Wal-Mart cowboys are $35 a box while the Cor-Bons are $40ish . I hand load too even now 38scost me just $6 per box 357s less than 7 my 45 colts runs me about $9 I'd guess . I cast range scrap from jacketed bullets in a Lee 255grn rnfp they drop at 262-265 drive them at around 950fps in my 7 1/2 inch black hawk . They hit about 5 inches hi at 25 just a little hi at 50 . I shoot it year around and have hunted mulies the last 2 years with it as a side arm intending to use it for the sub75 yd standing in the road death wish deer . 1 more thing about the 45 colts revolvers tend to shoot light bullets low and heavy bullets hi . Mine shoots 200 rn about a foot under the 260 rnfp at just 25 yds at about the same 950 fps .

a dog pack? not coyotes? wolves?

they wanted to eat you?

tell the dogs to get the hell out of the way, get! get outta here!

Your Glock 23 is legal for deer in NC. Any handgun larger than
.24 cal in any barrel lenth is legal for deer.
The old handgun law changed a couple of years ago