elgallo114

This was going to be my recommendation as well. Using a Can, might be your best option. Just find out if it's legal to hunt with as well as possess in your state. Some states have different laws regarding the use of these for range vs. hunting.

A decent one would not be that expensive. You don't need the Ranger Recon Seal Delta model. Just one that will reduce the noise enough to allow you to hunt/shoot.

IF you're only allowed to do range work with one, maybe that's enough. When hunting, how many shots do you take? It's up to you whether that one shot is tolorable.

Hope you figure it out.

bigbulls

While it is legal in most states to posses and use suppressors most of them do not allow you to hunt with them with out a lot of red tape.



I'm not saying it can't done. Just saying that it certainly wouldn't make my top ten of 200 yard cartridges. And I did quote a 300 grain hard cast bullet which is what I would want at that distance to drive as deep as possible.

Yes it would provided it is loaded properly. The problem is that unless you reload you aren't going to find ammo that is loaded with the proper powders to take advantage of this length of barrel. I honestly don't know if the 45 colt has enough powder capacity to make much use of a barrel longer than about 18 inches.



I completely agree. Not only is the muzzle considerably farther from your face but the gasses are leaving the barrel at a lower velocity. The longer the barrel the lower the pressure curve and the slower the gasses will be moving as they exit the muzzle. However, I believe that the distance away from your face is considerably more important if you want to lessen the noise you hear.



Here is a link I found that tested different barrel lengths of different cartridges. The difference is noise levels was very minimal with a longer barrel.
http://www.freehearingtest.com/hia_gunfirenoise.shtml

Centaur 1

I believe that the leverevolution ammo is your answer. You don't neede the XLR to use this round. You can get 200 yards out of any 30-30 with this ammo in any gun, the XLR can get you out to 300 with a little practice. I just bought the Marlin 336SS to use this round in. I don't know if it makes a difference but the XLR has a 1:12" twist rate and the regular 336SS has a 1:10" twist rate. The slower rate is all that the 160 grain leverevolution ammo needs but it might not be fast enough for a 170 grain round nose bullet.
You have to love the looks of the Marlin in stainless steel, here's mine.

driftrider

Have you considered bowhunting? Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to be snide. I just think that if shooting a rifle with hearing protection causes you enough discomfort to become unbearable after two shots, that any rifle you choose would prevent you from shooting well due to the inevitable flinch that the pain of shooting creates.

I'd also wonder if it might be a good idea to go see an otolaryngologist about this hyper-sensitivity to sound. There may be a physiological cause to your problem that they can fix, and an ear specialist would be the place to start.

Mike

driftrider

Oh, dear God... suggesting an AIR RIFLE for deer hunting? Are you serious?! Surely you can understand that there is a MASSIVE difference between a 20-30 grain .22cal lead pellet at 1200 fps and a 60-75 grain jacketed or all-copper expanding hunting bullet at 2900-3000 fps. That airgun you speak of doesn't carry the energy of a typical high-velocity 22LR round. There is one word for a person who hunts deer with a 22LR, and that's "poacher." There are two words for someone who hunts deer with an airgun... "idiot poacher."

Mike

driftrider

So they do... but the gun you mention, at least in my opinion, would also be just barely adequate for big game. The review states that the 250 grain pellet was fired at an average first shot MV (i.e. with a fully charged air tank) of 602 (that's six hundred-two) fps, which is roughly 200 ft-lbs of energy. To me, that's at best marginal for ethical boiler room shots on deer. The hogs he shot for the review were shot with .50cal roundballs, and he even stated that one took three headshots before it went down for good. If my weapon of choice requires up to three head shots on the animal to kill it, it's not sufficiently powerful for that type of game IMO.

That said, he's talking about a 22cal airgun... which is a bit... unwise.

Mike

jerry d

I'm shooting a Rem. 700 in .243 with a 22" barrel,it doesn't seem loud to me & there's no muzzle blast @ all

Defender

I want to thank everyone for participating in this thread and helping me to gain a better understanding of hunting rifles.

A Special thanks to "Head" & "Bigbulls" for taking the time to explain rifle bullet dynamics especially barrel PSI and the difference between a high velocity rifle and a lower pressure "big Bore" rifle.

By the way Centauri, that's a nice looking Marlin 30-30 336SS you have there.

Driftrider, Thanks for the Bowhunting tip. I have been there & done that. I had been considering a crossbow but after shooting a couple of the high end model's I was surprised at the noise they produced when fired. I wanted to be able to reach out 40-50 yards if I'm going to spend $1,500 on a crossbow and I think even at 350 fps a deer could jump the string when hearing that. I don't have "hyperacusis" as it's called or a sensitivity to sound. I just don't want to expose my ear's anymore while hunting to dangerously loud noise decibels, it's just not worth it. Thanks for mentioning an ENT. I have been to a true ear specialist before called a "Neurotologist".

Anyway, I like the idea of getting close to game and many times rifle hunting my shots have been as close as 20-60 yards in thicker cover. I just want to hunt a new spot this year and cover a thick river bed and need a gun now that has the ability to shoot out to 250 yard's in case a shot opportunity presents itself for a nice buck.

From what I have read it seems like a .35 remington might just be the perfect gun for me?

I love lever action guns and have already looked at the new Marlin 336 XLR rifles including the 30-30, .35 Remington and 45-70 Gov't. I like the fit, smooth operation, safety, balance, 24" barrel and the ability to shoot several times if necessary. Knowing they were designed to shoot the new Hornady Leverevolution ammo (which I have heard nothing but good about) is also nice to know and that stainless does look great not to mention it's much more corrosion resistant.

So what do you think Head & Bigbulls? Would this gun probably work for me based on what I decribed? I have a barrel PSI rating on that big bore gun of 33,500 psi which is 8,500 less psi then the 30-30 and the XLR's have a 4" inch longer barrel then standard lever guns. Granted I haven't shot one yet and I know the Recoil would be several pounds more then a 30-30 (13.5lbs) but it seems to me the actual "crack", concussion, blowback of this rifle would be not only be less the a high power rifle but also lower then a 30-30 and produce excellant "wound channels" on large game.

I still need to look more into the 44 magnum before my purchase and look forward to hearing any additional comments/recommendations from others especially form Head and Bigbulls.

HEAD0001

Personally I do not think the 35 Remington is going to take you where you want to go. Unless you hand load it and shot a heavy cast bullet around 1800 fps. And I do not think that is where you are thinking about going.

Have you seen the cowboy models in the Marlin 1894, and 1895?? They have a longer barrel, and more heft. And if you are shooting factory loads only then you can shot the loads that several mfrs. make for cowboy action shooting.

Alot of people look at PSI and muzzle energy as what it takes to kill a deer dead. However I do not subscribe to that. I know for sure that a large, heavy bullet is devastating to deer, and not so devastating to meat. That is why I like the big bores. The 35 cartridge is at the very bottom of the big bore list. IMO it does not quit make the list, however I wil admit that I really like my 358 Winchester, however it still has that "crack".

Try to find a cowboy action shoot some where in your area. And try shooting the longer CB rifles with the CB action ammo. I am sure it will do what you want to do, and the way you want to do it.

Personally I am a single shot person. Below is a Low Wall in 45 Colt that will easily take a deer at 200 yards with a Keith Style 255 grain bullet that I cast, and push with 19.5 grains of 2400. Nice rifle, not a big "crack" recoil is very manageable, and a 45 caliber hole in anything I shoot, if there was no expansion at all(not hardly). Tom.

Centaur 1

Going past 200 yards with a .35 remington can become tedious. I think that you'd be better off with the 30-30 for those longer shots. JMO