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Remington 700 ADL 7mm-08, with a Pentax Gameseeker 4-12X40, and Leupold mounts...

Shooter,


Go have some fun !!!



Looks great !

I'm sure you will enjoy!

Nice ,Good gun ,good round.Should shoot well.

I have a friend who just picked up one of these in .243. I helped him scope it up with a Bushy Elite 4200 3-9 X 40. It seems like a great package. It shot well at the range, but I was shocked to see the plastic trigger guard. :s1:

How's that Pentax scope. Been seeing them at a good price lately and was wondering how the glass stacked up?

Seems like fairly good glass to me, but, then, I've never done much shooting with a "premium" scope. I'll let you know after I've had a chance to do a little field testing...

Where did you find a new ADL these days? Rem hasn't made the ADL for like 3 or 4 years. I'd be you got a good price. The ADL's were a good little rifle for not much money. I had one in .243 that I bought on clearance from Wal-Mart when they discontinued selling guns. I'd still have it, but I sold it for more than I paid.

Mike

Yeah, they discontinued them for a while... They must be making new ones, though. Don't know whether it's a limited run or something more permanent. I got it at Academy here in Houston. Academy had them in their weekly ads for the last two weeks. They had them chambered for a variety of cartridges. A couple each in .243, .270, .30-06, .308, and 7mm Rem Mag, and a lone 7mm-08.

Price was $439, with a mail-in rebate from Remington of $40... so, net $399. Quite a bit more than I paid for my .243 a couple years back ($249), but still not unreasonable. Note that the Remington Rebate Form says it's for 700 SPS and 700 ADL models, and for purchases between 8/1/09 and 12/31/09, so, that seems to indicate that they must be making new ones, even though they don't list them on their website.

My only complaint about it is that their standard cartridge chamberings all come with a 24" barrel, and the Magnum with a 26". I can't imagine that you need a 24" barrel to get full advantage of a short-action cartridge, and the longer barrels are a bit of an inconvenience when hunting from a box blind. I may eventually take it to a good gunsmith and have them cut it back to somewhere between 20" and 22".

It's just my preference but with the QC issues Remington has had over the past few years, I'd just as soon spend the extra $100 and buy a Ruger. By the way does anyone even know who owns Remington now? I've had two bad customer service experiences with them and personally will not buy another Remington. New, used or whatever. Then again my preference does favor the mauser action.

Start shooting deer with that 7mm-08 and you put your 243 in the back of the safe.

Yeah honestly it seems like everything I buy or have used from Remington guns or even other stuff has some kind of issue that should have been caught in quality control. Not everything but a large portion of stuff from them that I've seen or used has. I'm not at all a Remington fan. There seem to be much much better brands of guns out there. The one Remington I'd like to have is a Remington 1100.

Cerebus Capital Management, L.P. now owns Remington. They bought Bushmaster also. Hence the R-15 and R-25.

That 7-08 is a gem ipsc... you'll love it.

I surely would agree with this. I will never understand the people who think a .243 is good for young shooters either. The 7mm-08 would be my choice in this category. If anything a .243 should be shot at deer by only very experienced shooters since there isn't much margin for error in the hands of a novice.

They also own/owned Daimler Chrysler...and Remington just bought Dakota Arms...:happy0001:

I've never really understood this whole "margin for error" argument as it relates to guys who like to bash the .243 ... Where I hunt, a "big" deer weighs 150 lbs, and they're rarely, if ever shot at distances much beyond 100 yards. I haven't had a problem with poor penetration with my .243, usually getting complete pass-throughs. The only time I didn't have a complete penetration was on a 160 lb buck, shot through both shoulders. The bullet wound up just under the skin after breaking the off-side shoulder. Shot placement/accuracy is of paramount importance. And, particularly with a new shooter, a rifle with 9 ft lbs of recoil energy is more comfortable to practice with than a rifle with 13 ft lbs of recoil energy... The .284 bullet gives you a whole 41/1000ths of an inch additional "margin for error."

I got the 7mm-08, not because I felt it would give me some magical advantage against the local deer herd or because I was dissatisfied with my .243. I got it, simply, because I wanted one. I already had a 7mm Rem. Mag., which, with the MR recoil rounds I use, is a virtual twin of the 7mm-08, (and, with which I took 2 shots at a buck last fall, neither of which gave complete penetration, and that was on an emaciated 90 lb buck...). The recoil of the 7mm Mag. MR rounds is noticeably more than a .243 and, while not too uncomfortable for me, I can imagine that they might not be "fun" for an 11 or 12 year old who is practicing with his first deer rifle. I'd much rather have a kid shooting with his eyes open, picking his shot and hitting his target with a .243, than using something heavier, with more power, but also more recoil, and gut-shooting the deer because of a flinch.

For the positive comments, thanks. I'll try to remember to report back after I've had a chance to take it to the range.

For the guys who took this as an opportunity to bash Remington for how horrible you think they are... Why? It's like if someone posts a pic of the first deer he ever shot, and guys bash him... "why'd you shoot one that was so young" or "why didn't you shoot a doe if it's just for meat" yada yada yada... If you think Remington sucks, fine... Start a thread titled "Remington sucks". Why pee on my little parade? I have yet to have a bad experience with any of the Remingtons I've owned over the last 35 years.

You'll like that 7mm-08, my brother has had one for 20 years or so...Of course he still has a long ways to go to kill as many as I have with my .243...:s1:

Buy a .243, use it during the summer for crows, coyotes, groundhogs and other varmits and you won't have to worry about this "margin"...You'll learn to hit what you shoot at...I've even taken care of a few bears eating my peanuts with the dang thing...

On the barrel...Funny how we are, I rebarreled mine a few years ago and went from a 22 inch to a 24 inch...With a short action, a 24 inch is about the same overall length as a 22 inch long action...Anything less than 22 seems too dang short for me...

Yeah, as for the barrel length, I guess it's just personal preference based on the type of hunting I do. I'm on a lease where we are required to hunt from elevated box blinds. It's much easier for my son to get his Model 7 Youth (.243 :)) into action without bumping it on something, than it is for me with a "full-sized" rifle.

He started out shooting jack rabbits with it. Deer are pretty easy if you can hit those...

[QUOTE=ipscshooter;3417981 Shot placement/accuracy is of paramount importance. [/QUOTE]


Yes it is, but we all know that things don't always turn out exactly the way we want them, thus a 7mm-08 will be a better choice in my opinion. You can shoot a .243 all you want and continue to kill deer with it, but I don't think many people will argue that a .243 is a BETTER choice than a 7mm-08 or .308, or .270 or .30-06, etc. You surely don't need a .300 Weatherby to kill deer, but I surely don't want to go to the lower end of the spectrum either when something in the middle would be some added insurance when things don't turn out just the way we would want them.

Perhaps my opinions are tainted by my experience with the location and manner that we hunt. Box blinds. Solid rest. Never have had the need to rush a shot. Plenty of time to wait for the deer to turn broadside. I've never felt "under-gunned" with my .243 because it hits exactly where I point it, and I've never had a problem with it. Perhaps if I was hunting in Iowa, where the corn-fed bucks weigh 300+ lbs, and ranges across a cut corn field might be 300-400 yards or more, I might feel like a "needed" a bigger gun... But, for my purposes, I've shot deer with .30-06, .243, and 7mm Rem Mag (with the MR rounds), and I've not noticed a significant difference in performance on live game. This fall, we'll see how the 7-08 performs. Note that if I take a buck and still have time left in the season, I might take a doe or two using my .223... :D

All things being equal, probably not. But, for me, I shoot my .243 better than I do my .30-06. When I was young, I didn't really have a "mentor" for shooting. Dad wasn't really into it much, so I was pretty much on my own. I gave myself a flinch, by starting out with a .30-06 with no recoil pad, that I still fight to this day when shooting a rifle. I really have to focus, hard, to avoid it. No problems at all with the .243. I can shoot it all day. But, with the '06, I just don't enjoy taking it to the range (although, when actually hunting with it, I don't really feel the recoil). And, as we've agreed... Hitting the target is more important than what you hit the target with...

You need not be so sensitive about such things. You can surely use whatever the heck you want, even your piddly .223. I and others will continue to consider a 7mm-08 a better overall deer cartridge for the various situations a hunter might encounter.

Not quite sure how I'm being "sensitive"... Just stating an opinion, as were you. Heck, I even conceded that "all things being equal," you're right, the .243 isn't a "better" choice than the others you named for the "various situations" a hunter might face. But, there may be "specific situations" where it is just as good as the others...

Oh, I've seen the time that a .243 was "better"...

Five times actually...That's how many '06 users that I know personally that have gone to the .243 once they saw the results a few times...

As you get older, you appreciate such things...:s4:

Go shoot your gun and have fun. Anybody that wants to bash your gun can stick there own in there ass! they're either bored or jelous. Hell, I thought the hunting and shooting community was united. Sounds more like divided. I'm taking out my family to do some shooting and have fun. I recomend you do the same. And hvae ya some FUN! that's what it's all about anyways.

I've lived in Iowa my whole life, and while I've sure they are out there, and I've see a few fairly big bucks from a distance, the 300 lb monsters aren't exactly a dime-a-dozen in Iowa, at least not on the public and well hunted private land I hunt on. 300 lbs for a wild, free ranging deer is enormous even here. Now, as for the farm raised bucks the "pros" slaughter, err... I mean hunt, on TV, I don't know. All the deer I've ever shot have never had a leash on them.

Oh, and if you're taking 400 yard shots across a corn field at a buck in Iowa with a CF rifle, you better hope like heck there isn't a DNR LEO watching you when you do, or it'll be the last time you shoot that rifle, or drive your truck, 'cause both will be the property of the state of Iowa when you get busted for poaching. Iowa's a shotgun/ML state, with one small exception for the late antlerless season in the souther two tiers of counties. Just FYI... not trying to bust your chops, just clarifying a common misconception. :cool2:

Oh, and if you can't make a clean shot with a .243, why are would you try it with anything bigger? Doesn't seem very ethical to me. The .243 with a 90+ gr bullet is plenty of medicine for whitetail deer.

And as for the Remington thing... I just bought a new Rem 700 LSS. It's a very nice rifle, with very good workmanship and attention to detail, and it's plenty accurate shooting handloads into about 0.6 MOA, average. It's factory stock with the trigger adjusted (by me). There are plenty of good rifles out there. Most of the brands put out decent to excellent rifles. The base model M700's (SPS/ADL) are not that nice to look at, granted, because Rem is making them to a lower price point. Step up a notch to a BDL/CDL/LSS and you have a very nice rifle, but you're going to pay more than some guys can afford.

It's just a Ford/Chevy/Dodge argument. Just because someone prefers one brand over another, doesn't mean that the other brands are junk (though some of their models might be, i.e. the Rem 710/770).

Mike

Yeah... It was a hypothetical, without having first checked the local game laws...:s2:

I bet you're just itchin to get out there and give it a whirl. Congrats on the new gun.