.17 HMR or .22 MAG
03-22-2009, 07:57 AM
#11
Nontypical Buck
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RE: .17 HMR or .22 MAG
The rimfire law is not at the range, we are not allowed to shoot a rifle in Southampton Co. for Coyote bigger then .22 and no center fire. We are only shotgun for deer and he has his 20 gauge for that.
03-22-2009, 08:10 AM
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RE: .17 HMR or .22 MAG
I have a friend who is a game warden. He says the 22 mag is popular with the poachers for deer. When I pressed him on how could it have enough penetration he replied they all used the same ammo, win super x. Evidently it must be a bullet that holds together. I don't know if they head shoot or aim for the vitals.
If a centerfire is legal there for coyote a good compromise would be a switch barrel single shot such as a handi. They are cheap and accurate. The 22 lr could be had for the range and a 223 for predator hunting. Later on a deer caliber could be added as well as a shotgun barrel for small game or deer. They can be had in youth models and a regular stock could be added when he grows a bit.
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If a centerfire is legal there for coyote a good compromise would be a switch barrel single shot such as a handi. They are cheap and accurate. The 22 lr could be had for the range and a 223 for predator hunting. Later on a deer caliber could be added as well as a shotgun barrel for small game or deer. They can be had in youth models and a regular stock could be added when he grows a bit.
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03-22-2009, 11:04 AM
#13
Nontypical Buck
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RE: .17 HMR or .22 MAG
Then it would appear your only option is the rimfire. Of the pair, I'm partial to the .22 Magnum (it didn't take me long to sell my .17 HMR, not a bad rifle, just not as versatile out here - especially having a stable of .223s and .243s.
03-22-2009, 12:58 PM
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RE: .17 HMR or .22 MAG
After watching several coyotes run off after being solidly hit (found on same or next farm over later) with the .17HMR, Personally I hunt yotes with nothing smaller than the .22WMR. I REALLY dislike watching any animal suffer needlessly and the .22mag drops them quicker on average. I'm basing these observations being in on 1st hand (watching), or actually shooting myself on a couple hundred hundred yotes.
03-22-2009, 03:21 PM
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RE: .17 HMR or .22 MAG
Allen I know a couple boys who do a lot of fox hunting in Southampton. They have tried both the .17s and the .22s. These guys are good hunters and good shoots, and they still end up missing or losing a good half of what they call inside of 100 yards. You know how thick it is in our part of the world.
After picking their brains for a while at the tail end of the season in February... they revealed they prefer the .22 simply because they felt their on target performance was better with it. One of them told me (forgive him) that he thought the .17 zipped through the fox so fast it didn't expand at all... now we all know better... but suffice to say that they were having more run off toting .17 bullets than .22 bullets. That could well be attributed to unforseen grass or twigs or whatever that can't be seen in the red light through the scope.
Were I in your shoes.... I'd use the shotgun. If you are in an area where you don't want to make all sorts of racket (as they were)..... I think I'd probably go with a .22 Mag. I have a .17 HMR myself, and everything I have ever shot with it I've killed... but were I targeting yotes specifically... 22 mag.
After picking their brains for a while at the tail end of the season in February... they revealed they prefer the .22 simply because they felt their on target performance was better with it. One of them told me (forgive him) that he thought the .17 zipped through the fox so fast it didn't expand at all... now we all know better... but suffice to say that they were having more run off toting .17 bullets than .22 bullets. That could well be attributed to unforseen grass or twigs or whatever that can't be seen in the red light through the scope.
Were I in your shoes.... I'd use the shotgun. If you are in an area where you don't want to make all sorts of racket (as they were)..... I think I'd probably go with a .22 Mag. I have a .17 HMR myself, and everything I have ever shot with it I've killed... but were I targeting yotes specifically... 22 mag.
03-24-2009, 06:02 PM
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RE: .17 HMR or .22 MAG
You guys are rite about the .22 mag. I use to swear by this gun i have shot a lot coyotes with my MAG. The .17hmr though its all about placement and the bullet you are using there is different bullets for different reasons. The V-max bullet is very EXPLOSIVE. The TNT bullet reminds me of a hollow point bullet it penetrates REAL deep. Both are 17 grains. The 20 grain bullet I could not really answer, I have never have used this bullet.
Anyway some trajectory .(0 at 100yards) Drop
.17 hmr .17 grain v-max 2250fps .22mag 33 grain v-max 2000 fps
100 yards 0.00 0.00
125 yards -0.94 -2.03
150 yards -2.59 -5.32
175 yards -5.08 -10.39
200 yards -8.54 -17.11
250 yards -19.07 -36.39
300 yards -35.72 -64.55
Bullet deflection 90 degree wind 5mph .17 hmr
0 0.0
25 0.1
50 0.4
75 0.9
100 1.6
17 hmr kinetic energy .22 mag
Distance Energy Ft Lbs
yards 17 grains 20 grains 33 grain
0 245 250 293
25 213 216
50 183 186 219
75 158 160
100 135 137 164
125 116 117
150 99 100
175 84 85
200 72 73
225 62 63
250 54 56
Velocity
17 hmr 22 mag
0 2550 fps 2000 fps
50 2380 fps 1730 fps
100 1900 fps 1495 fps
150 1620 fps n/a
200 1378 fps n/a
Now at 150 yards the .17 hmr hits about as hard as a .22LR does a muzzle. So considering at muzzle we know the .22lr could kill we know at 150 yards a .17 hmr should have no problem killing a coyote.
I hope this helps it took me FOREVER to find this. I typed it up for my uncle who does not have a computer. Either gun you pick will do the job. Shot placement is key.
Anyway some trajectory .(0 at 100yards) Drop
.17 hmr .17 grain v-max 2250fps .22mag 33 grain v-max 2000 fps
100 yards 0.00 0.00
125 yards -0.94 -2.03
150 yards -2.59 -5.32
175 yards -5.08 -10.39
200 yards -8.54 -17.11
250 yards -19.07 -36.39
300 yards -35.72 -64.55
Bullet deflection 90 degree wind 5mph .17 hmr
0 0.0
25 0.1
50 0.4
75 0.9
100 1.6
17 hmr kinetic energy .22 mag
Distance Energy Ft Lbs
yards 17 grains 20 grains 33 grain
0 245 250 293
25 213 216
50 183 186 219
75 158 160
100 135 137 164
125 116 117
150 99 100
175 84 85
200 72 73
225 62 63
250 54 56
Velocity
17 hmr 22 mag
0 2550 fps 2000 fps
50 2380 fps 1730 fps
100 1900 fps 1495 fps
150 1620 fps n/a
200 1378 fps n/a
Now at 150 yards the .17 hmr hits about as hard as a .22LR does a muzzle. So considering at muzzle we know the .22lr could kill we know at 150 yards a .17 hmr should have no problem killing a coyote.
I hope this helps it took me FOREVER to find this. I typed it up for my uncle who does not have a computer. Either gun you pick will do the job. Shot placement is key.
03-25-2009, 03:57 AM
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RE: .17 HMR or .22 MAG
ORIGINAL: homers brother
An outdoor range that only allowed rimfires? Think I'd be for finding another range?!
If you're calling them in, either is so-so in terms of reliably knocking down a coyote. At close range, a hit is a hit and will oftenkill, even with a good .22LR. However, even at that range, it'soften easy to overestimate the size of the target and send a bullet through nothing but fur - and it won't matter then what you're shooting. That effect is amplified as the range increases. I wouldn't say they're terribly tough, but I've had coyotes take a 50 gr V-Max from a .223 at 100 yards-plusand still require a second shot to finish them off. If I know I'm going to be shooting coyotes beyond100 yards, I generally take a .22-250 or .243.
Were it me, I think I'd make sure your sonhas a good, lifelongquality .22LR to take to that range, and find him adecent used .243.The 75gr V-Max (which is alsoloaded commercially) is death on coyotes, and he'll beable to hunt deer with it (in most states)as well.If he decides he needs something bigger one day, let HIM make that choice.
An outdoor range that only allowed rimfires? Think I'd be for finding another range?!
If you're calling them in, either is so-so in terms of reliably knocking down a coyote. At close range, a hit is a hit and will oftenkill, even with a good .22LR. However, even at that range, it'soften easy to overestimate the size of the target and send a bullet through nothing but fur - and it won't matter then what you're shooting. That effect is amplified as the range increases. I wouldn't say they're terribly tough, but I've had coyotes take a 50 gr V-Max from a .223 at 100 yards-plusand still require a second shot to finish them off. If I know I'm going to be shooting coyotes beyond100 yards, I generally take a .22-250 or .243.
Were it me, I think I'd make sure your sonhas a good, lifelongquality .22LR to take to that range, and find him adecent used .243.The 75gr V-Max (which is alsoloaded commercially) is death on coyotes, and he'll beable to hunt deer with it (in most states)as well.If he decides he needs something bigger one day, let HIM make that choice.
