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3000,
Apparently I've underestimated your age, and I mean no disrespect, you are very much entitled to your opinion however wrong it may be. But the times we are headed for, Life could very well be all about guns.
Obama is not your friend, you've been lied to.

I might let you slide on that shooting match though, I would'nt do it either.

3000fps

hey at least he is making a effort not sitting in the white house like a knot on a log

JagMagMan

I hate to talk politics too but, I cannot see anyone that says they support the Constitution and especially the Second Amendment, even considering supporting Obama!
Bush did not create our current problems and he sure did not ask for 911!
Was he perfect? No!
Did he make mistakes? Sure!
Do I want the economy and the "American Dream" to be salvaged? Yes!
Do I want this at the expense of the Constitution, the Second Amendment? HELL NO!
The American Dream without the Constitution and Second Amendment, with a Socialist, Welfare state that caters to the rest of the world's whims, IS NOT THE AMERICAN DREAM!

Obama is certainly not the answer though! He is leading us into Socialism and bankruptcy!
IF, and this is ONLY IF, we do not have another 911 in this administration, it will only be because our enemies feel that Obama and the Libbies are doing a good enough job of destroying America all by themselves!

Have we grown so greedy and lazy that we have forgotten what our Forefathers fought and died for? To trade our freedom, for false security, will truly be the END of America!
As Patrick Henry said, "Give me LIBERTY, or give me DEATH!"

3000fps

well put JagMagMan im not saying he is perfect Just that he is trying to do something,I do still wish we had Reagan

riverboss

the last 8 years have been a mess and i dont know where the next 4 will go . i work in a field that is controled buy insurance companys and it has gottin out of control. they have gotten to big and control every thing, i have watched my pay go down and down ,enough is enough . im so tierd of hearing all of the crap about how ive got this great job and life is good . all your whinning about is that you may have to get your hands dirty and do some real work instead of having some one else do it for them, im use to it ,the last 8 years alot of people lost there jobs, and paid so much for gas that it broke them. yea some people bought homes they couldnt afford.shame on them, but some put 20 yrs in a job that were let go and never had a chance. some people are happy just going to work and coming home ,helping there neighbors, and then some people just cant stand not screwing someone all the time for the all mighty dollar. i save as much as i can but its still not enough for all that keeps getting taken, i watched for the last 8 years and kept my mouth shut waiting for something good to happen, it still hasnt happened but i will keep on waiting with some new hope, all i know is major pain and his hockey mom wasnt going to help me, and i dont think obama can either, we need to get rid of the ticks in the house and senate that keep sucking us dry. and at the next election have candidates that are worth voting for.im all for people owning gun ,but lets face it there are a few that shouldnt be allowed to own a gun let alone repoduce. but its not the gov job to decide ,we need to do that on a one to one basis.

driftrider

Have you ever stopped to consider that, regarding the government, doing nothing might be better than acting quickly and screwing the situation up worse?

Like I said before, the Congressional Budget Office, which is supposed to be non-partisan, crunched the numbers on the Obama/Pelosi/Reed "stimulus" plan, and issued a report that said that over the long run (3-5 years) that it will do more harm than good. What this is, quite simply, is using crack to pep up a sleepy economy. Sure, it'll be rip-roaring to go for a little while, but then it'll inevitably come down again and be worse than it was because. The crack treated the symptoms of fatigue, but not the cause. Then what? Like any junkie, the only way to avoid the pain of coming down is more crack, and more crack... just to keep going, until eventually the economy falls apart and is saved only by suffering a very long and painful detox process (Great Depression and WWII), or it dies (Soviet Union circa 1991).


Mike

driftrider

Riverboss,

For goodness sake man, try using some punctuation! [:@]

Let me guess... healthcare? And socialized medicine will help that you think? My mom is a nurse, and tends to vote liberal, and she's even dead set against that because it'll WRECK the healthcare system.

I guess perception and propaganda are more important than truth these days. Here are the average unemployment stats for 2001-2008 under Bush's watch:

2001 - 4.7%, 2002 - 5.8%, 2003 - 6.0%, 2004 - 5.5%, 2005 - 5.1%, 2006 - 4.6%, 2007 - 4.6%, 2008 - 1Q: 4.9%, 2Q: 5.4%, 3Q: 6.0%, 4Q: 6.9% (source: Bureau of Labor Statistics)

As we can see clearly, excepting the brief post-9/11 recession, the unemployment rates have stayed under 5.5% and steady under Bush's term, with the exception of the last 2 quarters of 2008. So "alot of people" really weren't losing their jobs for 8 years, just in the last 2 quarters of his term. Keep in mind that most macro-economists consider "full employment" to be any rate between roughly 4.5-6.5%.

Losing ones job sucks, but after 20 years I'd hope that person had a little to fall back on. And it doesn't happen as often as people think. As you said, it should be about neighbors helping neighbors... not about big government. What's better, a good or even great job that allows you to flourish in the private sector with the risk that you might lose it someday, or a crappy government job and a cradle-to-grave welfare state where everyone just gets by while permanently subjugating you to virtual government slavery. I, personally, will take my chances on liberty.

Mike

jeepkid

What? You didn't get a tax cut under Bush? I find that one hard to believe...

driftrider

I know I got a substancial tax cut, and I make about $45K/year for a family of 4. So does that make me rich by liberal standards? 'Cause if it does, then being "rich" in liberal-land is overrated.[:'(]

Mike

Scott Gags

kaibab I am guessing you are a youngerguy thathas beenindoctrinated by liberal educators. I wouldask you to step back and consider the following.

I did support the Bush administration. He was not perfect but the idea he was fascist is way out there. It is irresponsible to make such a comment because it diminishes the meaning of what a Facist really is. (Hitler,Jews, ect) Why dont you back the Facist statement for all the dumb paranoid republicans with an example??????

As far as republican ideals messing up the country. Our current situation is a direct result ofthe GSEs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. These were started initially by Carter and then drastically expanded by Clinton under the Civilian Reconstruction Act. These Government Sponsored Enterprises were intended to help low income (ie minority) americans purchase homes. They needed to have approx 40% of their loans go to low income buyers. They were given competative advantages over the free market morgage companies and they quickley gained market share due to artifically low borrowing costs. They quickley saturated the market of low income buyers but wanted to continue to expand. In order to expand, they had to get higher risk low income loans in order to meet their quota to go after more of the lower risk morgage market.

These GSEs under the Clinton bill only held 2.5% capital compared to 10% for private morgage companies. That allowed them to leverage themselves at 400% the rate that the private companies did. These loans to non credit worthy buyerscreated a housing bubble, and with only 2.5% capital on hand system failure was almost assurred. Now thanks to liberal democrates all of us will be picking up the tab via the bailout. By the way how many out there know that nearly 60% of the morgages currently in foreclosure are not primary residences. They are investment properties. Kaibab I am sure you will want to deny that liberal democratic policies caused this mess so I am posting a link. This link shows actual house debate with the Republicans trying to regulate Fannie and Freddie and the Democrates saying nothin is wrong and continually hintingof racisim as the republican motive. This is not media bias but their own statements on the floor of the house.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

Now who's ideals messed things up? It should also be noted that Bush sent a letter to the house urging regulation of GSE, as failure was likely back in 2004.

I would add that this bill Obama and democrates just signed will be studied for years to come as exactly the wrong thing to do and will make the situation worse. The idea that "we have to try something" assumes that there is no consequence to policy decisions and is obsurd.

Almost forgot to address this example of ignorace also. Do you realize thatunder the Bush tax code nearly 50% of Americans pay no income tax at all andthe top 10% of americans pay over 70% of all income taxes. The tax system is extremely progressive to the point of being unfair.