The Obama Plan
02-18-2009, 12:47 PM
#13
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: central Ky
Posts: 2,867
RE: The Obama Plan
I care VERY MUCH for AMERICA'S future-just don't care for socialist idiots that want to completely gut the constitution.
ORIGINAL: 3000fps
thats stupid dude dont you care for Americes future,Cause if something dont change our path we will be hurting
thats stupid dude dont you care for Americes future,Cause if something dont change our path we will be hurting
02-18-2009, 02:20 PM
#20
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Coralville, IA. USA
Posts: 3,802
RE: The Obama Plan
So the change you want is Socialism? You want the government buying up and controlling our financial institutions? Do you want the government to have a say in how you invest your money, how/if you use your credit and what you can spend your money on? Do you want high taxes that will kneecap the economy, deter investment and drive even more business (ya know, the folks that make JOBS and EMPLOY PEOPLE) overseas where taxes are lower. Not even Red China taxes corporations as much as the U.S. does, and many countries in Europe are seeing the light and lowering their outrageous marginal tax rates. Ireland just cut their corporate tax to 12%, and guess where many of the high tech companies with their high paying jobs are going... if you guessed Ireland, you'd be right. How much freedom will you have left when the government taxes you or your employer out of existance? The answer to this is not to throw money at the problem. If the banks that made these loans, including Fannie and Freddie, go under because of it so be it. But p**ssing away 2 trillion taxpayer dollars, which we'll be paying back for generations to see what might be a temporary 1-2% gain in GDP over the next 2 years followed by another recession when the money dries up. What are we going to do then? Spend more money? Raise taxes even higher? Let the government exert even more control over how business are run and even how much people get paid? It didn't work for the Soviet Union. You libs are selling out not only your liberty, but the liberty and financial future of your children, grandkids and further.
The far-left have taken control of the government, and the Obama/Pelosi/Reed wing of the democrat party are working very hard now to destroy the very fabric of this country in favor of a big government owned, planned, and controlled economy when they and like-minded bureaucrats and politicians will now tell us exactly how we'll make and manage our money. They're already moving to sieze control of the banks and financial markets, they're already taking step via the corporate bailouts to tell executives how much they're allowed to make, and how the company can be run. It won't be long before big government has it's tentacles into ever aspect of corporate, small business and personal economics.
All of the stuff that Obama is doing right now, all of his economic policy, comes right out of the Communist Manifesto. If you doubt it, go read it.
The 10 "pillars" of Communism:
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
The TARP bailout, and the even bigger TARP-II is already buying controlling interests in industries and banks. The "stimulus" package is going to result in the government spending 44% of the GDP, up from about 20% last year. So much for private enterprise.
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2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Obama and the libs wants to raise taxes on the "wealthy," which if you take the dems lowest figure is about $100k/year. Lets not forget that under FDR the top marginal income tax rate went up to 79% (yes, I said seventy-nine percent). Obama and the dems practically worship FDR. They also want to raise the capital gains taxes and corporate taxes dramatically. They've also talked about doubling the payroll tax for both employees and employers, and removing the current withholding cap on high-income earners that make too much to ever receive social security. Another "progressive" tax on people who don't benefit from it.
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3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
It's always the dems that staunchly refuse to get rid of the death tax, which cripples family businesses and farms that can easily exceed the minimum value for this tax.
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4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
The dems are already talking about taking drastic actions to go after the money of ex-patriot American citizens who no longer pay federal income, capital gains and corporate taxes because they moved themselves and their businesses overseas but retained their citizenship.
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5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
The government already runs the federal reserve, and now it's busy buying up banks as fast as the treasury can print money.
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6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
Fairness doctrine... look it up.
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7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
The government is already telling the big 3 what kind of cars will be acceptable and how to run their business... every one of the companies who are running to the government money trough will come under some level of direct government control. You can rest assured that the bailout money isn't "free." They've already spent $350 billion, and the libs in congress have released the other half of TARP ($350 billion) for immediate descretionary use by the Obama administration. Obama's treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner (ya know, the so-called financial genious that just happened to forget to pay over $35k in taxes, which he only had to pay back part of without ANY fines or penalties, and still got the job as the head of the IRS), has already said he's going to need more money to buy failing businesses and bad debt. To the tune of $350 billion to $1 trillion. [/align]
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
The economic stimulus is porported to create (or save) 3 million jobs, most of which will be in the public sector. The libs very much want to do away with unemployment, which seams like a good thing until we realise that the jobs they create might not be the jobs people want to do.
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9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. [/align]
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
The Department of Education has steadily centralised the public education system in this country and has become the near total controller of curriculums and education spending nationwide. The DoE, and the public school system is heavily promoted and protected by the dems. Conservatives and Republicans have long fought to promote parental choice via opt-out provisions and school vouchers, which the libs resist and kill every time. The irony is that while Obama touts the greatness of public education and wants to ensure that our kids go to government run public schools, there is no way in hell his daughters would be caught dead enrolled in a DC metro public school.
Food for thought. (And sorry for the long post.)
Mike
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The far-left have taken control of the government, and the Obama/Pelosi/Reed wing of the democrat party are working very hard now to destroy the very fabric of this country in favor of a big government owned, planned, and controlled economy when they and like-minded bureaucrats and politicians will now tell us exactly how we'll make and manage our money. They're already moving to sieze control of the banks and financial markets, they're already taking step via the corporate bailouts to tell executives how much they're allowed to make, and how the company can be run. It won't be long before big government has it's tentacles into ever aspect of corporate, small business and personal economics.
All of the stuff that Obama is doing right now, all of his economic policy, comes right out of the Communist Manifesto. If you doubt it, go read it.
The 10 "pillars" of Communism:
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
The TARP bailout, and the even bigger TARP-II is already buying controlling interests in industries and banks. The "stimulus" package is going to result in the government spending 44% of the GDP, up from about 20% last year. So much for private enterprise.
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2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Obama and the libs wants to raise taxes on the "wealthy," which if you take the dems lowest figure is about $100k/year. Lets not forget that under FDR the top marginal income tax rate went up to 79% (yes, I said seventy-nine percent). Obama and the dems practically worship FDR. They also want to raise the capital gains taxes and corporate taxes dramatically. They've also talked about doubling the payroll tax for both employees and employers, and removing the current withholding cap on high-income earners that make too much to ever receive social security. Another "progressive" tax on people who don't benefit from it.
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3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
It's always the dems that staunchly refuse to get rid of the death tax, which cripples family businesses and farms that can easily exceed the minimum value for this tax.
[/align]
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
The dems are already talking about taking drastic actions to go after the money of ex-patriot American citizens who no longer pay federal income, capital gains and corporate taxes because they moved themselves and their businesses overseas but retained their citizenship.
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5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
The government already runs the federal reserve, and now it's busy buying up banks as fast as the treasury can print money.
[/align]
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
Fairness doctrine... look it up.
[/align]
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
The government is already telling the big 3 what kind of cars will be acceptable and how to run their business... every one of the companies who are running to the government money trough will come under some level of direct government control. You can rest assured that the bailout money isn't "free." They've already spent $350 billion, and the libs in congress have released the other half of TARP ($350 billion) for immediate descretionary use by the Obama administration. Obama's treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner (ya know, the so-called financial genious that just happened to forget to pay over $35k in taxes, which he only had to pay back part of without ANY fines or penalties, and still got the job as the head of the IRS), has already said he's going to need more money to buy failing businesses and bad debt. To the tune of $350 billion to $1 trillion. [/align]
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
The economic stimulus is porported to create (or save) 3 million jobs, most of which will be in the public sector. The libs very much want to do away with unemployment, which seams like a good thing until we realise that the jobs they create might not be the jobs people want to do.
[/align]
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. [/align]
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
The Department of Education has steadily centralised the public education system in this country and has become the near total controller of curriculums and education spending nationwide. The DoE, and the public school system is heavily promoted and protected by the dems. Conservatives and Republicans have long fought to promote parental choice via opt-out provisions and school vouchers, which the libs resist and kill every time. The irony is that while Obama touts the greatness of public education and wants to ensure that our kids go to government run public schools, there is no way in hell his daughters would be caught dead enrolled in a DC metro public school.
Food for thought. (And sorry for the long post.)
Mike
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