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UberSniper 01-21-2009 10:53 PM
M44 Mosin Nagant
 
I just bought an M44 Mosin Nagant. Its chambered for 7.62x54r shell. I was wondering if you can shoot a 7.62x39 shell throught it also??

HighDesertWolf 01-22-2009 01:34 AM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
Nope you sure cannot

stalkingbear 01-22-2009 03:35 AM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
NO WAY SHOULD YOU SHOOT 7.62x39mm in an 7.62x54R such as your Mosin Nagant!!!!!!!

The best thing that would happen if you tried is the cartridge simply wouldn't go off. It would have a dimple in primer and the case would be knocked forward away from firing pin. That's IF you're lucky. If it DID go off, the case WOULD rupture in the bigger chamber, with accompanying escaping gases, and part of the case may become lodged in the neck/throat area.

oldsmellhound 01-22-2009 06:10 AM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
No Way!!!! 2 completely different cartridges.

RugerMike 01-22-2009 07:17 AM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
ORIGINAL: stalkingbear

NO WAY SHOULD YOU SHOOT 7.62x39mm in an 7.62x54R such as your Mosin Nagant!!!!!!!

The best thing that would happen if you tried is the cartridge simply wouldn't go off. It would have a dimple in primer and the case would be knocked forward away from firing pin. That's IF you're lucky. If it DID go off, the case WOULD rupture in the bigger chamber, with accompanying escaping gases, and part of the case may become lodged in the neck/throat area.
Maybe I'm just stupid, but I can't understand why anyone(not just this poor soul here) would buy a rifle and then want to shoot a different cartridge in that rifle? What am I missing? And the 7.62x54R is cheaper than the 7.62x39mm shells at this time anyway? I'm not picking on the guy that started this post and I'm certainly glad he or anyone else would ask instead of just going ahead and doing it, I just don't understand, if you want to shoot that cartridge, buy that rifle or firearm that is made for that particular cartridge? There are way to many accidents involving firearms as it is, why increase the chances for a fatal mistake?Again just concerned, this is not an isolated question or issue! Please be careful.

Bocajnala 01-22-2009 02:47 PM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
NOOOOOO!!!! DON"T EVEN TRY IT! I have a few Nagants, great shooting guns, but get the 54. You can usually buy surplus for cheap if you want, just be sure to clean that gun well after shooting.
-Jake

adam11082 01-22-2009 03:45 PM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
I would consider getting on some mosin nagant forums as soon as possible to learn about your new firearm. And please don't shoot it until you get the head-spacing checked by a gunsmith. You bought I fine gun and historic gun, I own 3. Please learn how to use it before you shoot it.

UberSniper 01-28-2009 02:05 PM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
Thank you replying everyone. I bought the m44 from my dad. he bought it from a gunsmithing student. So i think it should be fine, ive shot it many times. I was just wondering if it would be possible to shoot a 39 ina 54. I didnt think you could. By the way whats the R in 54R mean anyway?

HEAD0001 01-28-2009 04:18 PM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
ORIGINAL: RugerMike

ORIGINAL: stalkingbear

NO WAY SHOULD YOU SHOOT 7.62x39mm in an 7.62x54R such as your Mosin Nagant!!!!!!!

The best thing that would happen if you tried is the cartridge simply wouldn't go off. It would have a dimple in primer and the case would be knocked forward away from firing pin. That's IF you're lucky. If it DID go off, the case WOULD rupture in the bigger chamber, with accompanying escaping gases, and part of the case may become lodged in the neck/throat area.
Maybe I'm just stupid, but I can't understand why anyone(not just this poor soul here) would buy a rifle and then want to shoot a different cartridge in that rifle? What am I missing? And the 7.62x54R is cheaper than the 7.62x39mm shells at this time anyway? I'm not picking on the guy that started this post and I'm certainly glad he or anyone else would ask instead of just going ahead and doing it, I just don't understand, if you want to shoot that cartridge, buy that rifle or firearm that is made for that particular cartridge? There are way to many accidents involving firearms as it is, why increase the chances for a fatal mistake?Again just concerned, this is not an isolated question or issue! Please be careful.

Mike. A major reason whywe see this is simple. We no longer use terms appropiately. In this day and age of texting and cell phones, we have totally disregarded the proper terms. People are in too big of a hurry. I look at some of the posts, and the language and terminology used is appauling. And when I point it out I get flamed. The younger generation just does not want to use the same"Words" that their fathers and grandfathers used. Those terms are considered old fashion.

A lot of shooters actually believe that cartridge and caliber are the same thing. So when they see the different cartridge designations, they just think it is the same cartridge with a different name. Tom.

HEAD0001 01-28-2009 04:20 PM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
ORIGINAL: UberSniper

Thank you replying everyone. I bought the m44 from my dad. he bought it from a gunsmithing student. So i think it should be fine, ive shot it many times. I was just wondering if it would be possible to shoot a 39 ina 54. I didnt think you could. By the way whats the R in 54R mean anyway?

R-Russian.

BigTiny 01-28-2009 09:01 PM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
This is me, hoping you're joking...

statjunk 01-29-2009 04:29 AM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
ORIGINAL: HEAD0001
The younger generation just does not want to use the same"Words" that their fathers and grandfathers used. Those terms are considered old fashion.

A lot of shooters actually believe that cartridge and caliber are the same thing. So when they see the different cartridge designations, they just think it is the same cartridge with a different name. Tom.
Tom,

I disagree with you on this one. My theory is that we have a generation of kids coming up through the ranks that are self entitled. They've been given everything. Why should they have to work after all. We all know it's hard work that gives you the knowledge and skill. Today's kids expect the box of ammo and go shoot it off, turn around throw the brass away and expect to get more when they ask for it.

Tom

SBEShooter 01-29-2009 08:22 AM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
NO! Not to beat a dead horse, . . .
This would be like shooting a .308 in a .30/06 or a 7mm/08 in a 7mm mag. The shorter cases would not seat in the throat/chamber and would case major issues!!

The only cartridge that I know that can be interchanged is a 38 specialcan be shot out of a.357 mag chamber but not the other way around.

UberSniper 02-03-2009 09:42 AM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
In 7.62x54rthe 54 is the lengthof the shell right?

statjunk 02-03-2009 11:16 AM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
Correct!

Tom

driftrider 02-03-2009 01:12 PM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
ORIGINAL: HEAD0001

ORIGINAL: UberSniper

Thank you replying everyone. I bought the m44 from my dad. he bought it from a gunsmithing student. So i think it should be fine, ive shot it many times. I was just wondering if it would be possible to shoot a 39 ina 54. I didnt think you could. By the way whats the R in 54R mean anyway?

R-Russian.
Nope. The "R" in 7.62x54R means rimmed. The round is also known as the 7.62mm Russian.

And no, you should absolutely not attempt to shoot 7.62x39 Soviet in a Mosin Nagant. If you do, for you family's sake, make sure your health and life insurance is paid up.

Mike

driftrider 02-03-2009 01:17 PM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
ORIGINAL: SBEShooter

NO! Not to beat a dead horse, . . .
This would be like shooting a .308 in a .30/06 or a 7mm/08 in a 7mm mag. The shorter cases would not seat in the throat/chamber and would case major issues!!

The only cartridge that I know that can be interchanged is a 38 specialcan be shot out of a.357 mag chamber but not the other way around.
.44 Spc in a .44 Mag, .45 Colt in a .454 Casull in a .460 S&W Mag. There are a number of straight walled revolver cartridges that will shoot shorter, but otherwise dimensionally identical, cartridges. But the same is not the case with bottleneck rifle cartridges. If the headstamp doesn't match the barrel stamp, don't shoot it. When in doubt, don't do it.

Mike

eldeguello 02-04-2009 04:54 AM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
The 7.62X54R chamber is so big, it would swallow up a 7.62X39mm cartridge. You could not even get it to fire! These are two completely different rounds, the only thing they have in common is the .310" bullet diameter.

eldeguello 02-04-2009 05:06 AM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
ORIGINAL: HEAD0001

ORIGINAL: UberSniper

Thank you replying everyone. I bought the m44 from my dad. he bought it from a gunsmithing student. So i think it should be fine, ive shot it many times. I was just wondering if it would be possible to shoot a 39 ina 54. I didnt think you could. By the way whats the R in 54R mean anyway?

R-Russian.
When you see an "R" suffix on a Eurpoean cartridge designation, such as 8X60R or 7.62X54R, it indicates that the round is a RIMMED case, headspacing on the rim.Some cartridgesare made both ways, rimmed and rimless. EG., "7.92X57JS" and "7.92X57 JRS" The latter here is the rimmed version.

UberSniper 02-25-2009 04:16 PM
RE: M44 Mosin Nagant
 
I got another question. I've been looking for a muzzle brake for it but the ones I found says it wont fit the Russian m44. Does anyone know why??


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