thanks democrates
11-05-2008, 05:41 PM
#21
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: central Ky
Posts: 2,867
RE: thanks democrates
Are you really THAT naive? You need to wake up,read a little history and actually THINK! This is the FIRST and ONLY time in modern times,that dems are not only in control of senate AND congress,The president elect ia ALSO a flaming liberal that has clearly stated in past that we shouldn't be allowed to carry around firearms for protection. The usual "stopgap" measures that prevent stupid,liberal,anti-gun bills from becoming law simplyaren't there now. Other things he's for that scares the bejeebies out of me are his absence of foreign policy,higher taxes,"partial birth abortians",etc ad nauseum. Look at the assualt weapon ban that was enacted by clinton's gleefully signing it when it came to him. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ORIGINAL: northernwhitetail
nothing will happen we have had dems in the whitehouse before
nothing will happen we have had dems in the whitehouse before
11-05-2008, 05:51 PM
#23
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Coralville, IA. USA
Posts: 3,802
RE: thanks democrates
While I think that yesterday was a truly dark and sad day for America, and I have no doubt that there will be some unpleasant "change," just as he promised, but I can't help but look at the bright side. The Marxists...err... democrats, didn't do as well as they would have like in the congressional elections, and the GOP still has enough seats in the senate to filibuster, and enough seats in the house to tangle up Nazi Pelosi in a proceedural quagmire and/or put in favorable riders and democrat "poison pills." Secondly, I'm sure that Chairman Maobama will try to ride the "8 years of Bush" bandwagon for as long as he can to explain away his and the dem congress' shortcomings to the American people. However, the people that he duped into voting him in will sooner or later realize that the only one to blame for continuing failure to govern responsibly and effectively are him and the democrats that fairly firmly control both houses of congress. While it has yet to be seen, I firmly believe that Maobama will become my generation's Jimmy Carter, which will (God willing) rally the conservatives and renew the Reagan conservative movement. Once Obama and his Marxist policies and comrades in congress fall flat on their faces, the political pendulum will swing back to the right. I just hope that he doesn't do to much damage between now and 2012.
Mike
Mike
11-05-2008, 06:00 PM
#24
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Somewhere in Michigan
Posts: 5,702
RE: thanks democrates
ORIGINAL: nralover
Don't blame the dems- the republicans are free to vote as well. You can't fight for your guns if you can't eat, and the plain truth of it is that the current administration has put this economy in the toilet...
ORIGINAL: outdoorsmen
you just made my gun collection increase in value tenfold.
and illigal in the future.
you just made my gun collection increase in value tenfold.
and illigal in the future.
11-05-2008, 06:04 PM
#26
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Somewhere in Michigan
Posts: 5,702
RE: thanks democrates
ORIGINAL: burningrav
The economy has put itself in the toilet. Banks and credit lenders aren't going under because of the Bush administration. They're going under because they gave too much credit and too many loans out to Americans that never should of gotten them. Someone that makes 30k a year shouldn't be living in a 300k house which they can't afford to pay for. Americans are broke and in debt because they try to live outside of their means with buying new 200k houses, 30-40k cars/trucks, 2k 50" big screen TV's for their living room, and then pay for all their expensive addictions like smoking, drinking, sex, and drugs which they will still spend their last dime on even if they don't have food to eat.
Somewhere around 40% of those 95% of lower income families which Obama refers to is living on Welfare. And a lot are on it because they want to be on it, not because they have to be. It's easier to pop out a few kids and draw money from the government than it is to hold down a job. Now Obama wants to give them the same kind of tax relief as everyone else so they'll get cut another check by the government each year under Obama's plan even though they aren't paying in taxes. And on top of that what do you think is going to happen when Obama raises taxes on the businesses making over 250k a year? Do you think raising taxes on the businesses that are already struggling is going to cause them to flourish? What incentives will businesses have to not move their business out of the country like most of the large corps today? What will happen when that businesses profit margins are cut and they're forced to cut spending which means letting people go, cutting health insurance, lower salaries, ect. With the way things are sitting right now if Obama pushes his current plan in full force by 2010 when the Bush tax plan expires I would predict we could be on the verge of the second great depression. Senator Barack Hussein Obama was elected last night and is coming into office with MORE power than any other President in history because of the swing the democratic party took last night. No other President has came into power with such a large swing towards his party that I can think of.
Barack Obama is very well spoken and comes in such a likable manner that it's hard not to want to like him. His words are very calculated and appeal greatly to the majority. His promise of "change" is what America is now grasping their arms out for. And last night "change" came to America. The biggest problem however is that Obama has no support for his promises of change other than his word. And his word to me isn't worth anything because he has never done anything to show he is capable of bringing this change. At least not any good change. In fact the way he voted in the Senate before running for the Presidency was almost like he was a totally different man before 2008. We also can't forget his background and the beliefs that he seemed to support all the way up until he was running for President. He spent 20 years of his life being taught by a pastor which is in all truth a radical black supremacist that speaks very negatively of America. But now Obama just says he doesn't agree with a lot of the things Rev. Wright says. Well personally if I didn't believe in what a pastor was preaching I wouldn't spend 20 years of my life going there regularly. I wouldn't pick him as the man to baptize my two daughters and marry me and my wife. And I would give credit to him in my bestselling book, The Audacity of Hope.
Here is a couple of quotes from members and their church.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4443788&page=2
So exactly what about Barack Obama has changed since that time in his life and the 2008 election? Personally I say nothing has changed. Personally I say the man you saw during the campaign run is not the same man you will see elected as President. The way in which many Americans perceive him may remain a lot the same due to his cool acting nature and excellent way of speaking in a manner that makes you feel confident about what he's saying. His well calculated words makes you feel like he's truly honest and wants to bring you hope and change. But as this "change" is brought about I believe we'll start to see many things take place and happen that we never thought that we would. Things like what defines a marriage, what defines the right for abortion, what defines the right to bear arms, what defines the right as an American to live free from government control, will all slowly begin to shift according to one mans ideals. And it may not happen overnight but it will happen because last night we just elected the man that was actually voted the most liberal senator in America.
And in closing here I'll leave you with this striking resemblance to yet another man in history which portrayed himself at the beginning much the same way as Obama has throughout the campaign. I edited a couple of words in the quote in order to not as easily give away who this is referring to.
" ... prior to coming to power he had not killed anyone. He was insane, but few could see that. Far from it, he was seen as a gifted man and hailed as the savior of their country. He was admired throughout the world. He appealed to the masses of people – the working class and particularly to women, and did not just inspire them, he “elevated” them. Thousands rallied to listen to his passionate speeches. They shed tears when he spoke. Women fainted during his speeches. To them, he was not a politician, but a demigod, a messiah. They envisioned him as truly a magical figure of majestic wisdom and glory. They worshiped him. They surrendered their wills to him. He restored their national pride. He projected himself as their savior. He ran on the platform of change and hope. Change he delivered all right, but hopes he shattered. "
This man who made promises of change was Adolf Hitler.
And here's a video I just saw someone post a link to a few minutes ago. I don't personally advocate this minister in any way or anything as far as what he teaches since it's apparent he's fairly radical but I thought the video for the most part gives you a visual view of how similar people then and people now responded to these two men (Hitler and Obama).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTp_atr2G9E&feature=related
The problem however is that people today think they're so educated that they would automatically recognize any kind of man like this right away and it's not even conceivable to them that a man like this could be anything outside of what he says he is. But just because Obama will probably never have the Jews all lined up again and shot in the back of the head doesn't mean he won't do other things like take away many of our self liberties and impose extremely liberal policies upon our nation that we live in.
ORIGINAL: nralover
Don't blame the dems- the republicans are free to vote as well. You can't fight for your guns if you can't eat, and the plain truth of it is that the current administration has put this economy in the toilet...
Don't blame the dems- the republicans are free to vote as well. You can't fight for your guns if you can't eat, and the plain truth of it is that the current administration has put this economy in the toilet...
Somewhere around 40% of those 95% of lower income families which Obama refers to is living on Welfare. And a lot are on it because they want to be on it, not because they have to be. It's easier to pop out a few kids and draw money from the government than it is to hold down a job. Now Obama wants to give them the same kind of tax relief as everyone else so they'll get cut another check by the government each year under Obama's plan even though they aren't paying in taxes. And on top of that what do you think is going to happen when Obama raises taxes on the businesses making over 250k a year? Do you think raising taxes on the businesses that are already struggling is going to cause them to flourish? What incentives will businesses have to not move their business out of the country like most of the large corps today? What will happen when that businesses profit margins are cut and they're forced to cut spending which means letting people go, cutting health insurance, lower salaries, ect. With the way things are sitting right now if Obama pushes his current plan in full force by 2010 when the Bush tax plan expires I would predict we could be on the verge of the second great depression. Senator Barack Hussein Obama was elected last night and is coming into office with MORE power than any other President in history because of the swing the democratic party took last night. No other President has came into power with such a large swing towards his party that I can think of.
Barack Obama is very well spoken and comes in such a likable manner that it's hard not to want to like him. His words are very calculated and appeal greatly to the majority. His promise of "change" is what America is now grasping their arms out for. And last night "change" came to America. The biggest problem however is that Obama has no support for his promises of change other than his word. And his word to me isn't worth anything because he has never done anything to show he is capable of bringing this change. At least not any good change. In fact the way he voted in the Senate before running for the Presidency was almost like he was a totally different man before 2008. We also can't forget his background and the beliefs that he seemed to support all the way up until he was running for President. He spent 20 years of his life being taught by a pastor which is in all truth a radical black supremacist that speaks very negatively of America. But now Obama just says he doesn't agree with a lot of the things Rev. Wright says. Well personally if I didn't believe in what a pastor was preaching I wouldn't spend 20 years of my life going there regularly. I wouldn't pick him as the man to baptize my two daughters and marry me and my wife. And I would give credit to him in my bestselling book, The Audacity of Hope.
Here is a couple of quotes from members and their church.
"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.
"He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive," said another member of the congregation.
"He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive," said another member of the congregation.
So exactly what about Barack Obama has changed since that time in his life and the 2008 election? Personally I say nothing has changed. Personally I say the man you saw during the campaign run is not the same man you will see elected as President. The way in which many Americans perceive him may remain a lot the same due to his cool acting nature and excellent way of speaking in a manner that makes you feel confident about what he's saying. His well calculated words makes you feel like he's truly honest and wants to bring you hope and change. But as this "change" is brought about I believe we'll start to see many things take place and happen that we never thought that we would. Things like what defines a marriage, what defines the right for abortion, what defines the right to bear arms, what defines the right as an American to live free from government control, will all slowly begin to shift according to one mans ideals. And it may not happen overnight but it will happen because last night we just elected the man that was actually voted the most liberal senator in America.
And in closing here I'll leave you with this striking resemblance to yet another man in history which portrayed himself at the beginning much the same way as Obama has throughout the campaign. I edited a couple of words in the quote in order to not as easily give away who this is referring to.
" ... prior to coming to power he had not killed anyone. He was insane, but few could see that. Far from it, he was seen as a gifted man and hailed as the savior of their country. He was admired throughout the world. He appealed to the masses of people – the working class and particularly to women, and did not just inspire them, he “elevated” them. Thousands rallied to listen to his passionate speeches. They shed tears when he spoke. Women fainted during his speeches. To them, he was not a politician, but a demigod, a messiah. They envisioned him as truly a magical figure of majestic wisdom and glory. They worshiped him. They surrendered their wills to him. He restored their national pride. He projected himself as their savior. He ran on the platform of change and hope. Change he delivered all right, but hopes he shattered. "
This man who made promises of change was Adolf Hitler.
And here's a video I just saw someone post a link to a few minutes ago. I don't personally advocate this minister in any way or anything as far as what he teaches since it's apparent he's fairly radical but I thought the video for the most part gives you a visual view of how similar people then and people now responded to these two men (Hitler and Obama).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTp_atr2G9E&feature=related
The problem however is that people today think they're so educated that they would automatically recognize any kind of man like this right away and it's not even conceivable to them that a man like this could be anything outside of what he says he is. But just because Obama will probably never have the Jews all lined up again and shot in the back of the head doesn't mean he won't do other things like take away many of our self liberties and impose extremely liberal policies upon our nation that we live in.
11-05-2008, 06:45 PM
#27
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 14
RE: thanks democrates
ORIGINAL: falcon
Clinton had a Democrat house and senate until 1995.
This is the FIRST and ONLY time in modern times,that dems are not only in control of senate AND congress,
11-05-2008, 08:33 PM
#28
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Jefferson County, Missouri
Posts: 104
RE: thanks democrates
ORIGINAL: bigangrychicken
The economy went in the toilet thanks to the mortgage crisis. This was brought on by Clinton's "equal credit for everyone policy." W didn't help matters, that's true. But don't be a simpleton that the Dems want you to be. You can thank Bill Clinton and our people's own "spoiled brat" mentality for that.
The economy went in the toilet thanks to the mortgage crisis. This was brought on by Clinton's "equal credit for everyone policy." W didn't help matters, that's true. But don't be a simpleton that the Dems want you to be. You can thank Bill Clinton and our people's own "spoiled brat" mentality for that.
11-05-2008, 11:28 PM
#29
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Posts: 84
RE: thanks democrates
ORIGINAL: bigangrychicken
The economy went in the toilet thanks to the mortgage crisis. This was brought on by Clinton's "equal credit for everyone policy." W didn't help matters, that's true. But don't be a simpleton that the Dems want you to be. You can thank Bill Clinton and our people's own "spoiled brat" mentality for that.
The economy went in the toilet thanks to the mortgage crisis. This was brought on by Clinton's "equal credit for everyone policy." W didn't help matters, that's true. But don't be a simpleton that the Dems want you to be. You can thank Bill Clinton and our people's own "spoiled brat" mentality for that.
You can blame Bush and the Republicans if you want but it was the Democrats, greedy lenders, and irresponsible borrowers that caused it all. Much like the auto sales crash...........UAW priced themselves out of jobs.
11-06-2008, 06:16 AM
#30
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Join Date: Jan 2004
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RE: thanks democrates
ORIGINAL: spd522
Exactly right. Clinton pushed the subprime mortgage issues to shove minorities into houses they could barely afford as it is. Purely a political move to look good. However, with those mortgages came adjustable rates. Soon the rates climbed and they couldn't make the payments. Obama's financial consultant, Franklin Raines, was in charge of Fannie Mae during that time and pocketed millions. When it all crashed and he was kicked out, he still got a $90 Million payout. Republicans warned of it several years ago but got buried by the Democrats.
You can blame Bush and the Republicans if you want but it was the Democrats, greedy lenders, and irresponsible borrowers that caused it all. Much like the auto sales crash...........UAW priced themselves out of jobs.
ORIGINAL: bigangrychicken
The economy went in the toilet thanks to the mortgage crisis. This was brought on by Clinton's "equal credit for everyone policy." W didn't help matters, that's true. But don't be a simpleton that the Dems want you to be. You can thank Bill Clinton and our people's own "spoiled brat" mentality for that.
The economy went in the toilet thanks to the mortgage crisis. This was brought on by Clinton's "equal credit for everyone policy." W didn't help matters, that's true. But don't be a simpleton that the Dems want you to be. You can thank Bill Clinton and our people's own "spoiled brat" mentality for that.
You can blame Bush and the Republicans if you want but it was the Democrats, greedy lenders, and irresponsible borrowers that caused it all. Much like the auto sales crash...........UAW priced themselves out of jobs.
I wonder who they will be blameingone or twoyears from now, when things don't jump into the fastlane?
DM