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BRAVO burningrav!!!!!!!!! Well said,laid out easy to read,excellent references,all factual-all in all much better post than I could do. KUDOS!

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Check out what our founding fathers said.
They were on the mark!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep our guns or go down fighting I say
http://www.vtgunsmiths.com/arms/ffquote.html

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As has already been stated What guns I sold all of mine at a gunshow just a month ago here in Farmington.If I did have any they could have ALL of them....................AFTER THEY ARE HOT AND EMPTY!!!!!
On a more serious note I would stand and fight because I think they will play hell no matter how well trained the military,there's far more of us than there is of them.I wonder does the name Custer ring a bell to them.

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Two words. Molon Labe!

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Nope. But I think I know who you might be thinking about.

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I will not surrender my firearms!!

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Im not sure what the likelyness of this ever happening. But I don't even know why they would ever consider disarming civilians, that would be the worst decision ever made. You know that the criminals will still have firearms, drugs are illegal and look how thats goin, so if they have weopons and we have nothing to defend ourselves then I believe we would see an increase in crime.

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So you were willing to die for other peoples rights but not your own? Go figure.:eek:

Don't get me wrong I have a family and I don't want to die either, but at some point youhave to be willing to fight for your rights. There may come a day when standing in a picket line isn't going to cut it! Taking our right to bear arms away is where I and a lot of others would draw the line in the sand.

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I would think that most of the military would stand up to the government and help protect the civilians since there families would be involved

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Well, considering the line of work I have chosen, I don't really have that luxury. Yes, I can vote and I do. I vote for the person with the best interest of the country in mind first, and then who is the best for the military because that affects me. Ultimately,the President is my boss and I have to obey his orders. Luckily, if he ordered all civilians to disarm, I wouldn't be part of it. It would be on Law Enforcement to accomplish that mission. As long as I'm in the military I'll always have weapons but I know it's not the same as the 2nd Ammendment. Hopefully it never comes to that, which I don't believe it ever will.

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SWThomas, I envy your dedication to your boss, but if you should ultimately find that your boss was indeed an Aribic Muslam that fooled the majority of the voters ( and I suspect that is the case) would you turn your weapon on American citizens trying to defend our constitutional rights?
That is the question on many american citizen's minds. And we know that anyone who has enough balls to take a stand against the government will be labeled a terrorist and marked for death.
I'm going to do my 1 little vote tomorrow, but I fear it's not going to be nearly enough to save our second amendment.

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That's what people said in other countries before laws went into effect too. Burying your head in sand just don't cut it-by the way,thanks for your service.

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I wouldn't have to. The military doesn't get involved with domestic operations. Law Enforcement agencies would handle that. Posse Comitatus prevents that from happening.

Second, how can the guy be a Muslim and a Christian at the same time? Either he's a radical Muslim... or... he's the guy that sat in Rev Wright's radical Christian church for 20 years. You can't have it both ways. Either way he's still a radical, but on only one denomination. Not both.

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So what if he was an Arab-American Muslim. He is still an American citizen, born in Kansas for god's sake. Every bit as much of an American citizen as a white Bapist born in small town Georgia. All this hate and stupid bigotry based on stereotypes really pisses me off. Everytime I hear stuff like this it's always from someone who has never met either a Arab or even a Muslim for that matter..... it makes you sound like you have an IQ smaller than your show size.

Questioning the man's liberal viewpoint is one thing but questioning his patriotism is way out of bounds.

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Popeye,just because someone is an american citizen DOESN'T mean they'll be good president material. The fact of the matter is that ALL his personal beliefs matter and are personal no more if that citizen is running for president. We SHOULD be concerned because he's a muslim FIRST (according to their faith),and american SECOND. The facts that he used koran to swear in senator's office instead of the bible should bother you. Also the fact that he don't honor the american flag,veterans,or the star bangled banner SHOULD bother everybody that enjoys/embraces our lifestyle and freedoms!
P S -I've "met" many non americans and for darn sure feel NO reason to convert.

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popeye, I do hope more than you can know that my take on this man is wrong!
But if my fears are right you too will regret this day and what it bears for our great nation. But for now I'll just ask you to pray for me and a little bit for my country, for I'm willing to die for it!

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Just a fewlast comments from me on this.


Obama is not Muslim, he's Christian so everyone's concern about that is unfounded. You can't infer someone's religious beliefs based on their name. However, even if he was, saying that you will not vote for someone based solely on religion is short sighted. IMO it's like saying you will not vote for someone because he's Catholic orProtestant or Jewish or Buddhist or whatever....it's just racism by another name.

Also, I think that questioning anyone's patriotism is off limits unless you have some real facts, not he said, she said stuff.
If there had been any real facts don't you think John McCain , the Republican Party or certainly Hillary(she's likes to play smear politics)would have brought it to light by now.

Like I said, disagree with Obama's policies or position on issues all you like. I don't agree with him onmost thingseither but using religious or patriotic smear tactics is a low class way of doing things.

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It's NOT "low class" when we question the intent of the man that's now the most powerful person in the "free" world. The facts of the matter is that he DON'T respect the flag,WON'T honor the pledge of allegience OR the star bangled banner! That SHOULD be everybody's concern.

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It would be like prohibition if it ever did happen. Except in prohibition the only bad thing is that organized crime went up and alcholism was lowered alittle. If they tried to take away firearms the military would have one hell of a time trying to scronge up enough counter snipers to deal with one state let alone the entire union.

In france during WW2 there was a few resistant cells that rained hell on germans snipers, and officers alike.

All i am saying is that any educated person will never argue that they would ever try to take our firearms by force because of the loss of innocent life would be insainly high.

Will it be harder to get a gun and ammo in four years yes. Is that a problem, yes. Can we really change that now, NO.

All i can say is support our country the best you can. The second amendment was put in the constitution for this reason. To defend against all enemies foreign and domestic.

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Actually, it's Que'ran. Please post your sources. Otherwise you're just as full of it as the next guy.

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Actually it's common knowledge and easily checked. All you have to do is go to illinois gov homepage and look up when he was sworn in. Of course you wouldn't be trying to insult me or hinting for link if you had the intelligence to do so. For a newcomer to this forum,you're sure trying to impress people,and that tells me something right there. The best thing you can do is agree to disagree so we can get back to enjoying this forum as it was intended to do. swthomas-it won't matter what you say in response as I've put you on permanent block to put a stop to this foolishness.

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There are several correct spellings for it in the English language. The correct Arabic uses no vowel sound on the front end. The hard K sound at the front is fully aspirated and guttural, hence the use of both Q and K in English. You might see it spelled Koran, Qur'an, Q'ran, or probably a half-dozen other ways. Save your non-ballistic fact-checking for the politics forum.

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Thank you bigtiny!

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I also sold all my firearms about 2 weeks ago. Some gun totten redneck wanted them for a high price just incase. I feel you sold all sell yours. Obama know everything and must be right about guns.
Heck i voted for the guy :eek:

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I wish you hadn't blocked me. But I guess that is the cowardly thing to do when you have nothing else to rebut with.

I searched the Illinois.gov homepage like you suggested but I couldn't find anything about Obama being sworn in. Was that suppose to just be a wild goose chase or something???? But I guess I won't get a response because I'm blocked.....;)

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I would Fight ! If that failed i would move to canada

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Well Since Bush was unsuccesfull in getting the two judges in the supreme court permanently that will be one of the first things Obama will do. Remove them and put liberal judges in place. Then they can start making laws from the bench instead of congress and the senate like they are supposed to. And if that isn't enough in one of his earlier speeches I believe it was in the primary he talked about how he would like to have a Civillian National Security Force that was better funded and better equipped than the military. He also stated that it would be larger than the armed forces combinded. So you ask how they will disarm America? Well if they are successfull in forming that force then the Military nor the citizens would stand a chance. He will for sure down size the Military and make them non mission ready by under funding just like Clinton did while I wasin the military. Couldn't go anywhere because our vehicles were deadlined.

Oh andBtw when the frst assault weapons ban was put into place several Generals were asked if they were called upon by the president totake away weapons from the citizens would they do it. They all said it would be an unlawful order and they would not follow it. don't think that they haven'tbeentrying to do this. They have been working on this for quite sometime and will be successfull in this current administration.

Here are links to the articles and speech for those who don't believe me

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=69601

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

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That makes me think a little. In the Constitution it says you can not have a military that is larger then the number of people in the state where the military is located at. SO a Civilian National Security Force would be a way around that law. It would allow him to increase his number enough so he could control every in the country. Problem being for a Civilian National Security Force you need men and women who know how to fight know how to use guns and are willing to kill there fellow country men.
Seems to me he would need all the red blooded gun totting Americans to fight for him. Where non of them will allow him to remove the second amendment. quote]ORIGINAL: Palladin8

Well Since Bush was unsuccesfull in getting the two judges in the supreme court permanently that will be one of the first things Obama will do. Remove them and put liberal judges in place. Then they can start making laws from the bench instead of congress and the senate like they are supposed to. And if that isn't enough in one of his earlier speeches I believe it was in the primary he talked about how he would like to have a Civillian National Security Force that was better funded and better equipped than the military. He also stated that it would be larger than the armed forces combinded. So you ask how they will disarm America? Well if they are successfull in forming that force then the Military nor the citizens would stand a chance. He will for sure down size the Military and make them non mission ready by under funding just like Clinton did while I wasin the military. Couldn't go anywhere because our vehicles were deadlined.

Oh andBtw when the frst assault weapons ban was put into place several Generals were asked if they were called upon by the president totake away weapons from the citizens would they do it. They all said it would be an unlawful order and they would not follow it. don't think that they haven'tbeentrying to do this. They have been working on this for quite sometime and will be successfull in this current administration.

Here are links to the articles and speech for those who don't believe me

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=69601

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
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Biggtim I agree with you on the fact that he will need to find people. I don't think he will have a problem with amassing people though. Look how Hitler was able to amass his Citizen malitia. He gave them jobs, gave them cars, gave them back their dignity after the defeat. You give someone a job after they have lost everything and help them out and give them a purpose in life and they will fight for you. I am not saying he is Hitler or the anti-christ as others believe.
All I am saying is that it's not as hard as it seems. We are in the worst econimical mess since the great depression. Once he takes office and pulls the military out of Iraq and Afganistan and starts down sizing the military there will be a abundance of people looking for work and will be willing to joing a National Force so they can feed their family's.
Whether or not it will be as extreme as some predict we'll have to wait and see. I hope for the sake of every American that it won't happen but as ignorant as the American people are I doubt they will see it coming. The News media will make it out to be the greatest.The Hollywood idiots will speakabout how great it is and we will just go along with it because after all if Hollywood and the media says it's ok then it's okright?