Just watched a Hunting show Ruger 375
 

I really hate this stuff on the outdoor channel ,versus and espn, but if there is no football of any kind on tv,westerns, military or cop showsand the only otherthing playing is dancing with the stars or the lifetime channel then I watch them. I have watched a lot of Grizzlies killed on these shows but last night watched a guy in AK wack one with the new Ruger 375. I am here to tell you that bear was stoned and I mean stone dead in a millisecond. He was hit behind the shoulder and normally they run a bit before they die. WOW is all I can say

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Just wait until I get my new wildcat round going based on the .375 ruger necked down to 7mm:).

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OEH - I didn't see that one but I think it not only has to do with shot placement, but also with the timing of the shot in relation to the heart beat.
I watched a video of my cousin shooting a brown bear with a 375 H&H. That bear took 3 direct hits - first and third one into the left shoulder and the second one into the right shoulder before going down - and a fourth round to finish him.
Then again, I've seen them crumble with one shot from a lesser round.

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That will be something to see keep us updated

Might have been but it was one impressive kill nevertheless

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From what I have seen on TV hunting,I would call that pure dumb luck. Dropping an animal in it's tracks usually comes from hitting shoulder blades and their explosion causes massive organ destruction. I.e. the shoulder drops the animal, but the done and bullet destroys the organs. I used to think thi was a great shot, but it seems like the organs being hit by bone fragments leaves alot to chance.

A low shot behind the shoulder should hit the heart and that is a sure things. It also gives a low exit hole for massive bleeding. This usually results in a step or 2 before they fall. High shots go into the lungs, which is deadly, butthey take longer to bleed out so they can run more.

Shoulder shots can drop immediately, but then get up and limp off to die slow.

RE: Just watched a Hunting show Ruger 375
 

No doubt about it, it's a very good round that should see a lot of us if osama lets us keep our guns. 375 H&H + performance on a shorter action.

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Yes. But the result would have been the same, had the varmint been struck with the same bullet at the same speed, regardless of the name or shape of the cartridge which launched it. Even the old, obsolete .375 H&H......

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Don't tell the Ruger worshipers that! You will burst their bubble!! lol

DM

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The .375 h&h will never be obsolete because of the years it's been the ONLY option in it's class and the number of rifles thus chambered but the ruger IS an very interesting option. While I don't know how long the ruger round will be around or how much of a success it will be,if I didn't already have a .375 h&h and was buying a .375 I wouldmost likelychoose the ruger round. I DO know it makes an EXCELLENT case to base wildcat cartridges off of.

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Another secret to keep from Ruger lovers. . .I don't want a rimless, beltless cartridge in my Africa gun. I want a big bullet, pushed by a big cartridge, which will feed in a dirty gun everytime,which I can be sure will go off when the primer hits it. The only way to ensure it goes off is by positive headspacing with a rim or belted magnum. The feeding comes from a large overly tapered case filled with mild to normal powder at normal pressures. A stuck case or case split can get you killed in Africa, or even with Grizzley bears. Excessive taper helps feed. It allows the catridge to displace when it meets grit.

New fangled cartridges like 300 WSM, 375 Ruger have no place in a gun to be used where your game likes to eat you, even if your guide/PH has a double in 577 NE.

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Since whendoes a bottle necked cartridge not provide positive headspace? Headspacing off of the shoulder and case head is a far better way of doing it than with rims or belts.

I will give you that tapered cases feed slightly easier than cases with less taper but I haven't ever seen a properly made riflechambered fora full length bottle necked cartridge fail to feed due to the case not having "excessive" taper.

RE: Just watched a Hunting show Ruger 375
 

I'm still waiting on that one. Hoping I can do something with this Savage 110 I have that's chambered in 7mm Rem mag.

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Well, I am not sure that Itotally agree that a belt or rim is essential for African use, but am more inclined to concur when takling about doubles. However, in the case of magazine riflesfor dangerous game, the opposite is true. IF your bolt action is of the CRF variety with a big ol' Mauser 98-type claw extractor, it is no more likely to cause trouble using beltless, rimless cases than isa double with rimmed ammo. As a matter of fact, using a rimmed case in a bolt-actionrifle can cause a serious problem, if the rim of the top cartridge in the magazine happens to get BEHIND the rim on the one under it during a fast reload! This can, and has, happened.

PH's in Africa have been using magazine rifles for well over 100 years in addition to the doubles, which many PH's cannot afford. One who usedWinchester Model 70's for years was Finn Aagard, a knowledgeable PH if ever there was one!

I have also been told that when it comes to a double, a belted case is NOT equivalent to a rimmed one as regards reliable extraction. I don't knoiw what to think about this assertion. I have a Heym O/U with a .30/'06 barrel under the 20-ga., and have never had a lick of trouble with extraction of fired '06 brass! If I did, I'd change the ejector and use 7X65R cases to make into 7.62X63R cases.

But, I will admit that I have not used it in Africa. However, it seems to me that the days of true safaris like those of Karamojo Bell and T.R. are 100 years in the past. Nowadays, one hunting in Africa is no more likely to have a weapon put out of commission by harsh environmental conditions than is a person pursuing grizzly bearsin the Brooks Range - in fact, a lot less likely!!

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Of course it will I was just making an observation on a very dangerous animal killed quite humanely. The fact that the round is available in a normal action length and lighter rifle just makes it that much sweeter and adds some merit to the cartridge. If I owned a 375 don't think I would sell it to buy one but if a first time 375 buyer and hunted in Alaska I would seriously consider it.

I Don't understand how the h&H would be any different then the Ruger feeding into a "Dirty" gun. I would imagine the H&H operates at lower pressures and that might be a plus where temperatures are 100+ over a very stoutly loaded cartridge like the Ruger. What problem is there with the rim on a ruger vs H&H vs 416 Remngton vs 458 win or whatever variant? How is one any better then the other?

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Some clarification. Belted rounds IMO are for mag fed guns and rimmed cases are for doubles. I think that clears much of this up.

My point is a properly sized and shaped belted or rimmed round has more clearance and taper than a modern headspace on the shoulder round. This extra clearance and taper allow the round to be forced into and fired in a chamber which may have a spec of something in it.

Rounds which headspace on the shoulder must have minimal clearance at the shoulder of the chamber so they are pushed back against the breech face or bolt face. This fit makes them inherently more picky about this dimension. If a spec of crud is on the shoulder area of the chamber it will be very difficult, or impossible to force the bolt closed. A 0 taper case adds to this by forcing anything on the side of the chamber on to this shoullder surface as it is fed.

So, bolt and doubles have their place. Besides, whether hunting browns in AK or cape buffalo in Africa, I don't want to be stomped or eaten because a spec of poo was in my chamber. I want to force and fire.

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I think what nks was saying is that belted cases are not dependant on the cases dimension from the base to the shoulder to ensure the round is held tight against the firing pin.
I really feel there are way to many new magnums being released recently. I wish that Ruger had released a 7mm,308, 338, 375 series of rounds before the recent barage of new rounds. Its a round thatreally makes sense and would be a great option for building a high performance rifle off the standard magnum bolt face that is so common. In 308 it would exceed the ballistics of the 300WBY.