RE: .308 or .243
ORIGINAL: zrexpilot ORIGINAL: MichaelT. The .308 holds more velocity and retained energy at 200 yards + , but either will work. Do what ? Comparing bullets of the same sectional density i.e a 100 gr .243 to a 150 gr .308. The .243 starts off faster and ends faster, it does not have the KE of the .308 ( about 200ft/lbs less@ 500 yds) but to bad energy doesnt kill. The .243 is faster, flatter by about 7" at 500 yds, still pushing 2k fps at 500 yds, about 4" less wind drift at 500 yds. .243 is the clear winnerat long range Cartridge Information Index Number Cartridge Type Weight (grs.) Bullet Style Primer No. Ballistic Coefficient PRA243WA Premier® AccuTip™ 95 AccuTip™ 9 1/2 0.355 PRSC308WA Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 150 Swift™ Scirocco™ Bonded 9 1/2 0.435 PRA308WB Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AccuTip™ Boat Tail 9 1/2 0.447 Velocity (ft/sec) Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500 Premier® AccuTip™ 95 AT 3120 2847 2590 2347 2118 1902 Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 150 SSB 2820 2611 2410 2219 2037 1863 Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AT BT 2700 2501 2311 2129 1956 1792 Energy (ft-lbs) Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500 Premier® AccuTip™ 95 AT 2053 1710 1415 1162 946 763 Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 150 SSB 2648 2269 1935 1640 1381 1156 Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AT BT 2670 2292 1957 1661 1401 1176 Short-Range Trajectory Cartridge Type Bullet 50 100 150 200 250 300 Premier® AccuTip™ 95 AT 0.0 0.5 zero -1.7 -4.6 -9.2 Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 150 SSB 0.0 zero -1.1 -3.6 -7.6 -13.2 Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AT BT -0.1 zero -1.3 -4.1 -8.5 -14.7 Long-Range Trajectory Cartridge Type Bullet 100 150 200 250 300 400 500 Premier® AccuTip™ 95 AT 0.5 1.3 zero -2.7 -6.6 -19.5 -40.2 Premier® Scirocco™ Bonded 150 SSB 1.8 1.6 zero -3.1 -7.8 -22.7 -46.0 Premier® AccuTip™ 165 AT BT 2.0 1.8 zero -3.4 -8.6 -24.8 -50.1 The .243 is losing vel. faster than the .308. I said the .308 is holding more vel.. ( losing less per 100 yards ) than the .243. And at 500 yards, there is 5.8 inches difference, not 7 inches , and the .308 is holding about 390 ft. / lab. more energy.....not 200. I shoot both cal.'s and I don't need to get an attitude about which does what. I can state my case without trying to demean others. Everyone has an opinion, and I can respect others opinions. But I will say that a .308 is hardly " lobbing " bullets .... Thats why it is the chosen cartridge of match shooting. But even if I disagree to some extent with what you are saying, I can still do it while allowing for your opinion. And last time I heard, vel. isnt what kills .... A 30-30 has killed a lot of deer, but it isn't exactly a barn burner.... And if that were true, then we should all be using 22-250's and smaller faster rounds.... MET |
RE: .308 or .243
Either one will do the job just fine. I would choose the .243 just because it will have less recoil, but the animal won't know the difference.
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RE: .308 or .243
lets compare apples to apples
that 9" difference @ 500 yds and what sheds less velocity- .243 and what sheds less energy--- .243 Cartridge Information Index Number Cartridge Type Weight (grs.) Bullet Style Primer No. Ballistic Coefficient R243W3 Remington® Express® 100 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt® 9 1/2 0.356 R308W1 Remington® Express® 150 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt® 9 1/2 0.314 Velocity (ft/sec) Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500 Remington® Express® 100 PSP CL 2960 2697 2449 2215 1993 1786 Remington® Express® 150 PSP CL 2820 2533 2263 2009 1774 1560 Energy (ft-lbs) Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500 Remington® Express® 100 PSP CL 1945 1615 1332 1089 882 708 Remington® Express® 150 PSP CL 2648 2137 1705 1344 1048 810 Short-Range Trajectory Cartridge Type Bullet 50 100 150 200 250 300 Remington® Express® 100 PSP CL 0.1 0.7 zero -2.0 -5.4 -10.4 Remington® Express® 150 PSP CL 0.0 zero -1.2 -3.9 -8.4 -14.7 Long-Range Trajectory Cartridge Type Bullet 100 150 200 250 300 400 500 Remington® Express® 100 PSP CL 1.6 1.5 zero -2.9 -7.5 -22.1 -45.4 Remington® Express® 150 PSP CL 2.0 1.7 zero -3.4 -8.8 -26.2 -54.8 |
RE: .308 or .243
Thats fine zreex .... you choose your bullet and I'll choose mine .... we can both back our opinion with different charts... it an opinion .... no right and no wrong...
It's kind of like accounting, numbers can be shaped to fit what ever the accountant needs. Good luck this season.... |
RE: .308 or .243
I love both of these calibers,and for varmint and deer I would shoot either and have complete confidence in their killing ability out to 350yards or so after that I would have to go with the 308 and hornady light magnum ammo.but this is my opinion I own both of these calibers and many others,and love them both!
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RE: .308 or .243
yup, we can go around and around. LOL
but in this ballistic searching I found a new round loaded for the .243. Its listed on the federal website. an 80gr speer hot core SP. WOW, that thing is flying and is listed as a medium game round. It surpassed the 85gr sierra gameking in every department. You .243 shooters, have you seen this yet. 34" drop at 500 yds and over 2k fps at that distance. NChawkey have you seen this round ? I know you like the 85gr. |
RE: .308 or .243
General Information: Load No[/align] Caliber[/align] Grains/ Grams[/align] Bullet Style[/align] Brand[/align] Use[/align] [align=center]243AS[/align] [align=center]243 Win. 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(6.16x51mm)[/align] [align=center]1970[/align] [align=center]1654[/align] [align=center]1382[/align] [align=center]1148[/align] [align=center]947[/align] [align=center]774[/align] [align=center]6AS[/align] [align=center]6mm Rem.[/align] [align=center]2053[/align] [align=center]1725[/align] [align=center]1444[/align] [align=center]1202[/align] [align=center]993[/align] [align=center]813[/align] [align=center]P2506D[/align] [align=center]25-06 Rem.[/align] [align=center]2302[/align] [align=center]1955[/align] [align=center]1654[/align] [align=center]1391[/align] [align=center]1162[/align] [align=center]964[/align] Wind Drift in Inches (at 10 MPH) [align=center] Wind Drift[/align] Load No[/align] Caliber[/align] 100 Y[/align] 200 Y[/align] 300 Y[/align] 400 Y[/align] 500 Y[/align] [align=center]243AS[/align] [align=center]243 Win. (6.16x51mm)[/align] [align=center]0.7[/align] [align=center]3.0[/align] [align=center]6.9[/align] [align=center]12.8[/align] [align=center]21.1[/align] [align=center]6AS[/align] [align=center]6mm Rem.[/align] [align=center]0.7[/align] [align=center]2.9[/align] [align=center]6.8[/align] [align=center]12.5[/align] [align=center]20.5[/align] [align=center]P2506D[/align] [align=center]25-06 Rem.[/align] [align=center]0.7[/align] [align=center]2.8[/align] [align=center]6.6[/align] [align=center]12.3[/align] [align=center]20.1[/align] Average Range [align=center] Average Range[/align] Load No[/align] Caliber[/align] 50 Y[/align] 100 Y[/align] 200 Y[/align] 300 Y[/align] [align=center]243AS[/align] [align=center]243 Win. 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RE: .308 or .243
try the hornady 58grain v-max at 3760fps and you've got a great long range varmint gun,my rem.700 loves them and my savage 110 will shoot them around 1 1/2 inch groups.I dont think they are heavy enough for deer though,I'm sure many have been killed with them,for deer I like the 100 grain federal fusion in 243 and the 150 or 165 light mag in 308.
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RE: .308 or .243
ORIGINAL: zrexpilot yup, we can go around and around. LOL but in this ballistic searching I found a new round loaded for the .243. Its listed on the federal website. an 80gr speer hot core SP. WOW, that thing is flying and is listed as a medium game round. It surpassed the 85gr sierra gameking in every department. You .243 shooters, have you seen this yet. 34" drop at 500 yds and over 2k fps at that distance. NChawkey have you seen this round ? I know you like the 85gr. But none the less, that 80 gr. momma is flying. MET |
RE: .308 or .243
I once read an article about this on an antilope hunt where the light bullet exploded on impact and they followed the goat for several miles and shot it again,man that would be hard to do on a whitetail in ky.thats why I like 100grainers as a minimun for deer,but thats just my opinion.I normally use 150's.but I have killed many deer with my 243 also,100 grain federal fusions.
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