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SAFIR ARMS HAS BEN MANUFACTURING 36 (410) CALIBER, UNRIFLING AND UNGROOVED SEMIAUTOMATIC T- 14 HUNTING GUN WHICH IS SIMILAR TO AR-15 223 REMINGTON.

OUR T 14 RIFLE IS BEING MANUFACTURED IN 4 DIFFERENT TYPES;



T - 14 CLASSIC
T - 14 COMPACT
T - 14 CLASSIC-S
T - 14 COMPACT-S[/ol]


ABOVE MENTIONED TYPES HAVE DIFFERENT BARREL LENGTH WITH A MAGAZINE CONTAINING 10+1 CARTRIDGES WHICH 36 CALIBER CARTRIDGES CAN ONLY BE USED WITH OUR RIFLE. IN T-14 COMPACT AND T-14 COMPACT-S MODELS WE MAY MANUFACTURE SHORTER BARRELS AS PER REQUEST ( ORIGINAL BARREL LENGTH IS 51 CM )

PLEASE VISIT http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=8kl5wusy9IITO SEE SHOOTING TESTS.

AND VISIT OUR WEB PAGE AT www.safirarms.com FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.

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Nice advert but the video doesnt work.

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Looks cool, but it's a smooth bore .410;). I don't see much purpose in it to be honest. I would rather have one in 9mm or .40 cal. What kind of prices are we talking? You can get a Siaga for a couple of hundred bucks, and a High Point 9mm carbine for a bit under $200 where I live.

And an AR in .410 just seems like an incredible waste to me, it's such a limited shell in such a versatile platform.

And what size shells will it shoot? Does it have a choke for using shot?

Paul

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Neat idea but with a .410 isn't something suited for that flatform. It's not exactly a super popualr gauge and it's price keep it from being a formidable chocie for this platform. Applaud the idea dn effort but my limited business know-how says no.

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Lubricious, Please check http://www.flixya.com/video/278632/Safirarms_-_40_Metre_Atis and
http://www.flixya.com/video/278634/Safirarms_-_Seri_Atisfor videos or try http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/safir%2Bt14/video/x34avy_safirarms-seri-atis_animalsand
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/safir%2Bt14/video/x34av8_safirarms-40-metre-atis_animals

Paul, Have you ever tried a .410 ? You canmake a big hole with a .410 on a 8mm steel plate but you can't even make a mark on it with a 9mm:DAnd its retail price is about 1000-1200 USD ;)

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For a relatively same type of system, I think a Saiga-12 would be a lot more useful and not to mention cheaper.

Its a neat idea, but I don't think your door is going to get beaten down by eager customers.

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You can get the Saiga in .410, 20, and 12 as well. If you know a place where they can still be had for a couple hundred, let me know where.

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I don't know what the saiga's go for now, but I used to have one in 7.62x39 and it cost like $230 from my local gun shop, the shotguns ran about the same price. I haven't looked at them lately, but I doubt they went up hudreds of dollars. Johnson's Sporting goods in Adrian MI.

Um, yeah, I've tried a .410, here is the one I own. It's a Winchester 9410.



I have never seen a 410 slug penetrate any kind of steel. You are talking a fairly light soft lead bullet traveling at 1500-1800 fps. A 9mm will fire a full metal jacket hard bullet from 115 grns to 150 grns at velocities around 1000-1500 fps, and using a carbine adds about 10-15% to that. Not to mention much better bullet choices. And the .40 cal is even better than that. I have put them clean through car doors out of a pistol. Not to mention an AR in 9mm or .40 cal is probably going to much more accurate than a smooth bore .410.

There might be better .410 loads, but your not going to find them easily around here. Most of what you will see are going to be 90-100 grn soft lead bullets at around 1600 fps.

Make one of those babies in a 20 ga and you might have something, especially with a rifled barrel. I beleive there would actually be a market for that around here. I'll stick with a 12 ga for home defense though.

Paul

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I found one for $264 on the net. It's the third rifle down. I'm kind of surprised at the prices for the 12 and 20's though, that's a bit high for what they are.

Saiga .410

Paul

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I just looked it up and you can get the AR platform in 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, 10mm and 50 AE. Not to mention a myriad of rifle cartridges from .22 rimfire to 50 BMG. At 1,000 dollars or more the .410 would probably be my last choice, considering you can get a really good pump action for 200 or 300 dollars.

Like I said, you make that same gun in a 20 ga with a fully rifled barrel that will fire the modern sabot ammunition accurately and you might have a market for it. There are a lot of states here that are shotgun only for deer hunting and the new 20 ga slugs are pretty impressive ballistics wise.

Paul

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That's about as good as you can get on them right now. I bought my .223 for $170, now they go for over $300, which is why I don't have it anymore. I just wish I had bought 10 of them. I want the 20 gauge next. A rifled barrel on that would really be something.

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Dear Paul L Mohr,

I just checked your message and went donwstairs and had a few shots to 7 mm steel plate from 15 meters.I tried two different brands; one couldn't make a hole but look what the other did :D;)

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All that proves is it will dent metal at close range, says nothing to penetration or bullet quality. My point is that for that kind of money there are much better options on the AR platform than a .410, especially in the U.S. . Maybe you guys have better .410 ammo than we do, but ours is pretty limited, crappy and expensive. It's not a very highly regarded cartridge here.

I just can't see anyone paying that kind of money to shoot a soft lead under powered bullet from a smooth bore gun when there are better options that would be more accurate and cost less to shoot from the same platform.

You can argue it all you want but I don't know anyone that is going to make a .410 their go to defense gun, let alone a tactical weapon.

Paul

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Hi,
I live in the UK and was looking at one of these in my local RFD's. Does anyone know if aftermarket AR15 handguards and buttstocks will fit. It would lookgreat with a magpul UBR and a daniel defence omega attached.