Weatherby Sub MOA Stainless
05-26-2008 | 07:41 AM
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RE: Weatherby Sub MOA Stainless
ORIGINAL: salukipv1
Course you can continue to misquote me then claim I said something incorrect. Never said Jarret used howa barrels. Nor a 5 grand rifle with a howa barrel.
May want to rely on stating your own opinions in the future, rather than trying to debunk what I say as incorrect when you're not even sure whether its true/false and it comes out as truth.
Course you can continue to misquote me then claim I said something incorrect. Never said Jarret used howa barrels. Nor a 5 grand rifle with a howa barrel.
May want to rely on stating your own opinions in the future, rather than trying to debunk what I say as incorrect when you're not even sure whether its true/false and it comes out as truth.
ORIGINAL: Ridge Runner
kenny jarret never used howa barrels, if he did would you pay 5 grand for a beanfield rifle?
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kenny jarret never used howa barrels, if he did would you pay 5 grand for a beanfield rifle?
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05-26-2008 | 07:59 AM
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I dont want to stir something up here but is there really a difference between a Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA and a regular synthetic vanguard???
The Submoa shoot less then .99 groups . I have looked at test targets from both submoa and regular vanguards...the submoas were one ragged hole in all the cases I looked at. I think they are done in a machine rest andalmost positive about that. I know that Mr Yamaoke has signed a lot of darn targets on the ones I see and he would have one sore shoulder if he fired all the vanguards that leave that plant. I think the barrelled action is then shipped to California and the stock is put on . They put a dollop of glass bed on the front action lug. They can shoot lights out is all I know. The action is one of the strongest bolt actions out there and simple to field strip. The trigger is horrible...I called Weatherby about that and asked if they could do something about the creep and they said for 50 dollars + or minus they would adjust it but no guarantees on the creep. That was not a good enough answer so I ordered the Timney SS replacement trigger. It came from the factory with a 3lb pull measured on my RCBS trigger gauge. 30 rounds or so later the trigger started dropping in weight and then the safety became inoperable. The batch of triggers from timney either had no heatreating on the sears or the job was not done properly. They promptly replaced the trigger. My experience with Vanguard/Howa triggers has been anyone that a gunsmith did was just OK but the Timney makes it feel like a another gun. I know 200 posters will come on here and tell me how that can't be but that is the facts after owning a lot of Vanguards/Howa 1500's.
05-26-2008 | 08:02 AM
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yep, saluki just got iggied, hate to hijack a guys thread but first
Saluki, 3 times you stated kenny jarret used "factory" barrels, this is not true, and I will assure you that even in the 80's the "best in the business" were not selling jarret barrels, why? cause if you buy any of the "best in the business's" barrels and they will not shoot sub-moa due to the barrel, they replace it. end of story
Lilja, kreiger, rock, broughton, these are the best of the best, I've used them,
You also stated 1 in 3 were all that met his standards, which is also incorrect according to your link, 1-3 is not 63%.
I did my research probably before you were born, by talking to these guys, though I don't remember who's barrel kenny used when I talked to him, they weren't factory anything.
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Saluki, 3 times you stated kenny jarret used "factory" barrels, this is not true, and I will assure you that even in the 80's the "best in the business" were not selling jarret barrels, why? cause if you buy any of the "best in the business's" barrels and they will not shoot sub-moa due to the barrel, they replace it. end of story
Lilja, kreiger, rock, broughton, these are the best of the best, I've used them,
You also stated 1 in 3 were all that met his standards, which is also incorrect according to your link, 1-3 is not 63%.
I did my research probably before you were born, by talking to these guys, though I don't remember who's barrel kenny used when I talked to him, they weren't factory anything.
RR
05-26-2008 | 01:06 PM
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A marketing ploy by weatherby to increase revenue, this way if you want a vanguard to shoot well it costs extra, douglas and shilen do the same thing with they're barrels, after air guageing, if its a very good barrel it sells for more money as a select match, basicly if they do it like they're sposed to it costs more, the big name guys with the reputations for building great barrels air guage them to, and its either a barrel or its junk, thats the only 2 grades there are.
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