RE: 25-06 and its effectiveness on Deer
 

If oneshoots a 117-120-grain bullet from a .25/'06 at 3100 FPS ora 130-grainer of identical construction at the same velocity from a .270 WIN., NO DEER (or any other critter) will be able to tell the difference when the bullet lands, including the shooter! For crap sake, there's ONLY 2-hundredths of an inch difference in their diameters........0.020"!![:@]

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That 0.020 may be magic!! :D:D

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Magic say you???

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I like my .25-06. It doesn't have a lot of recoil and handles predators and pigs very well.

RE: 25-06 and its effectiveness on Deer
 

Have you ever shot a 25-06? It has much less recoil than a 30-06. And I also disagree with your comment about it's effectiveness as a whitetail round. There isn't a plug nickel's worth of difference between a 25-06 with a 120 grain bullet and a 270 with a 130 grain bullet when it comes to putting down a deer sized animal. And I have never heard anyone call a 270 a poor whitetail round. You can also drop down to 100 grain bullets for coyotes or antelope and have a very flat shooter on your hands for those critters.

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No I have never shot "A" 25-06. I have shot and owned 5or6-including 2 257 WBY. Mags. So I am speaking from experience about the quarter bore. I will admit I have only shot a couple of dozen deer with the quarter bore, but I do know for sure that I was disappointed with the results.

Also you are comparing the quarter bore to the 270. I did not compare it to the 270, I compared it to the 30-06. I am not a fan of the 270 either. But as the other poster, you are also making my point by trying to compare your 25-06 to a 270-thanks for helping make my point.However if you think your 25-06 bullet is constructed as well as a 270 bullet then you are sadly mistaken.

This is the bottom line. I have been deer hunting for 35 years. I have shot a couple of hundred deer. I have been around the harvesting of well over 1,000 deer. Situations will arise, and people get excited while hunting. If every shot was the perfect broadside shot at a standing still deer drinking from a brook-then life would be great. The problem is that there are situations that arise that do not permit the perfect shot, but that do permit adequate shots for a cartridge that can handle the shot.

When I rifle hunt for deer I am strictly trophy hunting.(I do a lot of meat hunting, but all my meat hunting is done with primitive weapons, or my fun rifles). I do not want to pass up a shot because of a miniscule cartridge. Tom.

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Recoil comes from the bullet weight not the cartridge.. My 243 kicks less than my 7mm08 which kicks less than my 308 but that is because I go from an 85 grain to 168 grain bullet..

25-06 is a great round.

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I have killed a ton of deer with the 270 with 130's and 1 deer with the 25-06 and I believe 100 gr Sierra GK(borrowed rifle) and there was no diffrence in animal reaction.

I am still trying to figure out this statement so please enlighten me concerning bullet construction.

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I am not sure what your source of information is. But there are probably at least a dozen variables involved with recoil. Bullet weight is just one of these variables. And it is on the bottom end of the scale, not the top end. I shoot a 405 grain bullet from a 45-70 that recoils less than a 150 grain from a 30-30. That sure blows a hole in your theory??? Tom.

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Your comparing 2 different cartridges 45-70 to 30-30.. I am comparing the same cartridge in the 308 and it siblings.. The 7mm08 and 243.. True there are other factors involved like weight of the gun, ect. But the post above was comparing the 30-06 to the 25-06 which are also siblings.. So there is no hole in my theory..

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"Siblings", is that the best you can come up with?? Wow man that is a pretty weak argument. "Siblings".

OldElk by bullet construction I am speaking of a heavier jacket because of the larger diameter. IMO this heavier jacket is what makes the big difference. Again IMO this is why premium bullets are made. The jacket in the lighter caliber's is not as thick and allows for more rapid expansion. The way bullet design was explained to me was that a thicker jacket would hold together better and allow more penetration. Again IMO this is why you have premium bullets-the premium bullets are "supposed" to be of better constructin, so they will hold together better for better penetration. I am sure you have heard of light, fast, small caliber bullets blowing up on a shoulder. I realize part of this is bullet tip design. But a lot of it has to do with the jacket to allow further penetration.

That is why I believe a $10 box of 30-06 shels with a plain old core-lock bullet is a better choice than a $40 box of Federal Premium in a 243. Plus you can buy 4 boxes of ammo instead of one, soa new shooter can get out and practice.

Far the average hunter who never shoots over 200 yards, and almost always less than 100 yards, the bigger slower bullet is better. And if recoil is an issue then slow the large bullet down some more, and you can attain recoil equilibrium with a larger bullet.

I recommend you start casting your own bullets. You can slow down a cast bullet, get great expansion and penetration, attain low recoil, and have a blast making your own bullets. It is a hoot when you make everything yourself and hunt with it. A 45-70 at 1200 fps has low recoil, the bullet is deadly on deer, and as stated long ago-"You can eat right up to the hole". Tom.

RE: 25-06 and its effectiveness on Deer
 

Well apparently you don't like Siblings but whatever you call them fact remains. But to clarifya 7mm08 with a 120 grain bullet will kick less than a 150 grain bullet shot out of the same gun.. That was my point..

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Not sure if there is a correlation between lightweight Deer Bullets and larger caliber deer bullets as far as jacket thickness goes ..I guess I will have to get out the bandsaw and cut some up. .I do know for a fact that I can get stoutly built 257 bullets from at least 4 sources if not more and all will not hand grenade on a deers shoulder or other area of resistance. Another relevant point is Deer are thin skinned animals ..break the skin and even a bullet that is pronte to separating will penetrate sufficiently to cause massive internal damage at the same time delivering shock to internal organs. NOw if we talk Elk or similiar sized creatures then you have less room for error in the bullet selection process.

RE: 25-06 and its effectiveness on Deer
 

I agree with your post. I would not use the term "Lightweight deer bullets"-My words would be smaller diameter bullet-or lighter caliber. I also totally agree with the "thin skinned" theory. My main point is the not so perfect shots. And I guess I am also talking about the cost of the ammo(a whole new can of worms). And you are probably a reloader so factory ammo prices are not important to you. But I would think bullet prices would be important. Especially the way they have been headed lately. I know this probably sounds hard headed but I really do believe that bigger is better.

I have seen a lot of hunter's and shooter's over the years spend tons of money on all the new fangled cartridge's and bullets. But a hunter can fall back on a good quality rifle in 30-06 with good optics and never have to look back for the rest of his life. This setup can be used everwhere in the USA for almost all NA game. They can buy ammo anywhere, and for a good price. That is about as simple as I can put it. Tom.

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Now I will have to agree with you on that one. But that is not what you said the first time. As far as the "Siblings", I did not mean anything by that remark, and apologize if you felt that I did. I actually thought it was meant as a joke, and I did get a good laugh from it. I also did not pick up on the point you were making about the same case-but you are correct there. Sorry, Tom.

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