starhunter21

If you are so concerned about recoil on your "go-to" rifle, you may be holding something a bit too much. I wouldnt get to caught up in bigger is best, I think in this case what ever you can shoot comfortably (mental as well) if the best solution. Your too young to have to make a "one rifle fits all" decision right now. Go down to the gun shop, find the rifle that fits you best, pick a non-mag caliber (or 270WSM), throw some good glass on it (Zeiss Conquest), and push 200 rounds through it.

700xcr

I have a Remington model 700xcr in 270wsm and my boy has a Winchester mod.70 in 300wsm that has been magnaported. I enjoy shooting the 270wsm with 150gr. and it is very accurate. My boys 300wsm is load and still has more recoil. I am shooting Winchester 150gr. Power Point ammo chronographed 3200fps. out of my gun. Took a mule deer doe at 298yds. this last season. One shot and took out both lungs.
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bigbulls

Ox, you need to just take a step back and start over.

You are hung up on getting a magnum of some kind but in every post you mention concern over recoil. I think that a "magnum"is a very bad idea for you considering that you are only 13 years old. Forget about a BOSS. More flinching problems occur because of noise and muzzle blast than from recoil and I doubt that you will like wearing hearing protection while hunting.

A magnum isn't going to kill an elk or moose any deader than a 30-06 or .308. Yes, a 300 magnumwillhave more energyat longer distancesand they do shoot a little flatter but you will not see any real advantage untilabout the 300 yard mark. Sight in to be zero at 200 yards and the 300 magnum only has about a 1.5" - 2" advantage in flatter trajectory compared to the 30-06 at 300 yards. The 30-06 still has more than enough energy at 400 yards to take any elk or moose.

Bottom line.... Don't worry about having a "magnum". A standard cartridge like a .270, .280,30-06, .308, 7mm-08, 6.5X55 mauser, 7X57 mauser eill likely serve you much much better than a 300 magnum will right now.

skeeter 7MM

+2

Ox, in this post you added more info then in the BG forum one, which solidifies my original gut feeling. Hopefully it didn't p you off b/c that was not my intent. If it did i appologize. In any regard at this stage in the game you are learning and the last thing you need is to be worried about whats going to happen when you pull that trigger! You need a gun that fits you first and foremost. You also need a gun you can shoot and enjoy.

You don't need a magnum and given the fact dad's buddy reloads opens up possibilities that the factory only ammo shooter may not have to allow you to hunt upto moose sized critters. By your own words the 300 BAR knocked you on your can I'd say the 300's out. You've used a 270 win didn't like it...the 270wsm fires the same bullets just a different case..so 270's out. 3006 is boring..fine out with it as well. Still lots others left to sub in though without the word magnum. Maybe the fact your thinking wsm and didn't like the 270win or 3006 is you want/like/prefer a short action. 7mm08 or 308win would fit nicely. If its not the long action just the boring factor fair enough the 280 rem is another you could slide in. An excellent cartidge using the .284 cal bullets (same as the 7mm's) and as a reloader all the choices to hunt antelope to moose you'll ever need. I find the recoil level of a 280 comparable toa 3006, might be slightly less even but in that ballpark.

Hey if you truly want to buy only a magnum then I suggest the 7mm wsm or 7mm rem mag. I use the 7mm rem mag and never felt undergunned to my partners 300's,etc. I have also used 300's myself. I really like the .284 cal, great selection of bullet, excellent sectional density and BCs to easily work for antelope to moose. The rem mag recoils less then a 300 and slightly more then 3006 in comparable rifles. It is noticable but tolerable for most. The 7wsm as a reloader is a viable choice, components are readily available. Sure not as popular as the 270wsm or 300wsm, but that's not really an indicator of performance level but rather of cal. slotting IMO. As Shato points out its case capacity allows high load density, a number many feel leads to optimal performance. That said the rem mag even with the slosh room does a pretty good job in its own right. I have only shot one 7wsm chambered rifle, a browning stalker, a design that seems to boot me more then others..it offered no relief from the many rem magsI have shot but can't say i noticed it to be more either. Sobase on the value of1I'd say comparable???[&:]

Good luck andshoulder differentmodels before you set it in stone which you'll buy. You may find one that is better then you thought and the one you thought is not as good.

EKM

bb,

I think you're right on this one, i.e. 30-06 power level, but I also think you are wasting your time on this one.

RugerM77.270

Yeah the kid has magnumitus and doesn't listen or really know what he wants. But on the bright side he's too young to buy a rifle himself and will have to get whatever his dad wants him to have not a shoulder cannon maybe.

ipscshooter

This is where I lost the kid...

He hates the .270 Win, and is sick of the .30-06 and is already sick of the .338 Fed, which has only been on the shelves for what, maybe a year or so? The .300 Win Mag is too much for him, yet, apparently he insists on a magnum-something-or-other...

I actually suspect that the reason he's hates or is sick of two of the finest cartridges ever developed is because he's shot at some game, and lost them, and he thinks its because the cartridges aren't performing and all his woes will be cured by stepping up to a magnum.... when the real problem is that he lost the game because he made bad hits because he's already having trouble with the recoil from the .270 and .30-06. Magnums are only going to make his flinching problem worse...

ox1443: Here's the bottom line: If you can't kill the game you've listed cleanly with a .30-06, you aren't going to be able to kill it cleanly with a 7mm WSM either.

johnny2

I would go with one of each..then send us the ones you don't like....

Really,I have the 300 WSM and I really like it..But maybe you are
more recoil sensitive than others are...Lots of shooters grow up on the
stock and the scope will wack ya..Get a longer eye relief and you will
be ok..Good luck...

BKC

I really love my rem 270 wsm but i wish i waited for th alaskanTI

ShatoDavis

+3

Skeeter,

I think ox really "wants" a magnum. Its understandable he's young and impressionable. I've thought about it and I think I have a solution.

Ox,

You want a Magnum, I get that. You seem to be leaning toward the WSM line & I get the impression you want a 30 cal.

Here's my solution: Buy a 300 WSM. Put a limb saver pad on it. Avoid the BOSS, the sharp crack is bad news. The noise alone can cause poor shooting. Instead of putting a boss or magna port etc. have your friend that reloads load up mild loads. He would be able to easily Load starting loads that would be quite a bit milder than the full loads. I would suspect that the performance would be very similar to the 30-06. Which by the way is quite suficient to do everything you want to do. But, you would always have the options of more powerful loads later. As you grow and feel that you need More "bang" you could dial up the powder. I think that this is a viable option.