243 vs 30-30
08-30-2009, 09:22 AM
#61
Nontypical Buck
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I had the chance to shoot one the other day and was suprised at the mild recoil. You are right.
Also, had a friend tell me had that caliber in a ruger #1. But I think this guy who has a problem with recoil is a meat and potatos kind of guy and a 6.5x55 may a little too exotic for him.
08-30-2009, 09:25 AM
#62
Nontypical Buck
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I have a 30-30 (Marlin 336) and a .243 (BLR) and either will kill a deer with a well placed shot. If I was hunting in an area where my shot was under a 100 yards, I would opt for the 30-30, just because it has a heavier bullet. If I had out to a 200-250 yard shot possible, I might use the .243 but would probably opt for my 30-06 or 300 WBY first. It's just my opinion, and it is a personal preference.
08-30-2009, 12:08 PM
#63
Typical Buck
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Great question.. kinda like which is better diet coke or coke zero. I've hunted them both and I really can say anything bad about either the 30-30 or .243 win. It really depends on what your average shot is going to be in my opinion. If you you're going to be in an area that is heavily wooded and shots average 60-100 yards then no question go with the 30-30. If you're going to be in a situation where you've got the opportunity for a shot of 150-250 and even further then I'd go with the 243. Look at your situation and decide. If it were me, I'd consider doing a lever action 30-30 used and a bolt 243 used.
08-30-2009, 01:12 PM
#64
Giant Nontypical
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my .270 is a puppy...
.243 should be able to get the job done on hogs, esp with a premium controlled expansion style bullet.
If you're looking for something new with less kick than the .270, how about a 7mm-08? flat enough, based on the .308/.243....for your needs I think that would be my pick in a new catridge...
.243 should be able to get the job done on hogs, esp with a premium controlled expansion style bullet.
If you're looking for something new with less kick than the .270, how about a 7mm-08? flat enough, based on the .308/.243....for your needs I think that would be my pick in a new catridge...
08-30-2009, 01:30 PM
#65
Typical Buck
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Bull****!
That's a myth. I've had a 410 grain 50cal conical deflected by a branch that was maybe 3/8" in diameter enough to miss the deer on the other side. There is no such thing as a "brush busting" bullet. If the bullet hits an object on it's way to the target, it will be deflected unpredictably no matter what caliber you use.
This is one myth that just won't die because ignorant people won't stop perpetuating it.
That's a myth. I've had a 410 grain 50cal conical deflected by a branch that was maybe 3/8" in diameter enough to miss the deer on the other side. There is no such thing as a "brush busting" bullet. If the bullet hits an object on it's way to the target, it will be deflected unpredictably no matter what caliber you use.
This is one myth that just won't die because ignorant people won't stop perpetuating it.
08-30-2009, 02:54 PM
#66
Typical Buck
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Brush guns were not based on caliber or weight of bullets. They call them brush guns because they are short in barrel thus swing faster and have more than one shell that can be shot fast and often. AKA. THE LEVER ACTION. That's where they got the name brush gun. There is no such thing as a 30-06 bolt action brush gun with a 24" barrel. Sorry that's a myth. All bullets can glance off grass, branches, twigs, and an occasional bird that just swooped in at the wrong time. hehe
Dean nevermind what you hear about the modern marlin rifle, they have gotten better and that micro grooved rifling is absolutely awesome for accuracy on the slower bullets that 30/30 shots.
And you can always have a break put on a 270 or a 30-06, but I agree with stubble a 7mm-08 might be right down your alley in what your looking for. Good luck.
Dean nevermind what you hear about the modern marlin rifle, they have gotten better and that micro grooved rifling is absolutely awesome for accuracy on the slower bullets that 30/30 shots.
And you can always have a break put on a 270 or a 30-06, but I agree with stubble a 7mm-08 might be right down your alley in what your looking for. Good luck.
08-30-2009, 09:44 PM
#67
Nontypical Buck
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You shouldn't be shooting "into" brush, even with a 30-30. I know it is considered a heavier, slow moving bullet, and it is true that it might not be altered as much if it hits a twig, but if that is the basis for which you would buy a gun, in my opinion, that is flawed thinking.
08-31-2009, 04:18 AM
#68
Nontypical Buck
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It's called "Physics". From Newton's first law of motion: "Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it". And third: "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."
09-01-2009, 11:20 AM
#69
Typical Buck
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A 3030 is very low on recoil. i can shoot my all day without any worry. I think perceived recoil has alot to do with the gun and stock design. I can tell you this, i have a new Marlin XL7 30.06 that kicks alot less (so it seems) than my savage 7mm-08. There is a factory recoil pad on the marlin, but i was pleasantly surprised. Went thru 40 rounds at the range and could have done 40 more. My marlin 3030 is a pup compared. I would say the 3030 is equal to the 243 as far as recoil. I have shot a few 243's that had alot of snap to them. Easy recoil but slightly different than a 3006 which was more of a thump.
09-02-2009, 04:53 AM
#70
Spike
Join Date: Aug 2009
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The 243 will drop a hog flat on it's butt. Way better than a 30-30. These "hunters" that believe you need a heavy caliber rifle to take game are bias. And a 30-30 will kick the living crap out of you because 90% of rifles chambered for it have poor stock designs. A 100gr. core-lock bullet or any of the 100gr. bullets for the 243 will kill anything up to and including elk and are pure terror for pigs. And with hardly no recoil. Great choice, the 243.