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And that is a T/C Encore. I have one. I have a 204 Ruger,270winand ML barrel. So as any gun nut, I want the ultimate accuracy. So I have the forend pillar bedded, and the hinge pin in very snug, where you have to tap it out with a brass drift. Ok, I get my accuracy. Now when I change it out with the ML barrel, I have to knock out a pin out of a rifle I have dialed in to hit groundhogs 300 yards out. Oh yea, its just great to tap a hammer on a precision rifle.[:'(] Now when you put your barrel back on, you have little confidense that you can hit your same POI out to 300 yards. It should be darn close, but not what I am looking for.

I got sucked in hook line and sinker. And came to the conclusion, if you want a ML, buy a ML, if you want a rifle, buy a rifle.

The way I came to this conclusion was tonight I was considering buying another action for my ML.

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I agree with you a bit, but not wholy. I will admit TC did an incredible marketing job. However I really do like myLH Thumbhole 30-06. I definitely is not the most accurate rifle I own. But it really is a fast handling rifle that fits me very well. And it is definitely accurate enough for my hunting needs.

IMO the worst idea we all got sucked into was the 17HMR. It has absolutely no advantages over the 22 magnum, yet they sure sold the heck out of it. Tom.

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haha. this is what I've been saying to everyone since I've seen those commercials! I put a post up about it on the muzzleloader section, I don't want 1 gun to do it all, I'd buy another gun. Particularly, I want a shotgun for a shotgun, a rifle for a rifle, and a ML for a ML. This applies to cartridges as well. I'd rather have 3-5 solid calibers rifles, than just a .30-06 to do it all. How many guys own 1 rifle and hunt often with it? I think most active big game hunters own a few rifles or more. and many non rifle guys have that 30-30 passeddown, or that .22lr.

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Hell Big at least you got accuracy out of yours. My 7mm-08 barrel and cracked up stock are sitting wrapped up here on the side desk going to the PO tomorrow. I'd send them the whole damn thing but I have a turkey barrel on the way in for the fiancee to plug a thunder chicken with.

I love the gun.... but mine doesn't shoot. Even with handloads it won't get under 2".

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Well, yea, sounds like it could be worse. I just had to dump like 200 dollars extra to get mine to shoot.

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Well I did get taken into the flexibility on changing barrels and thought it would be a good idea ,but got rid of mine before putting any money into it and glad I did. I have also come to that conclusion , buy that one firearm and forget about multitasking...

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I never bought into the hype...I had a single shot (.410 shotgun) when I was a kid...Down here on many occasions, I've killed 2 deer out of a herd, didn't want to be messing around reloading when the time came...

In fact, I don't really view hammer guns as being very safe...I've had 2 accidential discharges in over 40 years of shooting, one with that .410 while easing the hammer down after I missed a shot opportunity and the other was with a flintlock after knapping the flint with no prime in the pan....

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I agree that there are draw backs to the Encore but it wasn't meant for guys like you and me.

Case and point. I was at the shooting range just before hunting season. There is guy sitting next to me with his buddy and kids. They were high five-ing each other and claiming that the guys shooting was amazing.I scanned his target with my scope. If the guy wasn't shooting 4" at 100 yards he was 5".

Minute of deer.

Tom

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Same frame for a 22 as a mag? Never made sense to me.
Not fond of hammers either.

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I never thought about this problem until I got my T/C and read the manual and bought my hammer spur. It was well indicated about the caution required in the instructions...

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I don't like TC... I thought their TCR was a cool concept, so I bought one-it had a double-set trigger that I really liked. Had a .22/250, .243 Win. and a .30/'06 barrel for it. Wanted a .32/40 and a .38/55 barrel for it too. But they stopped making TCRbarrels-claimed it was "due to a fire".

But they continue to make other stuff that was contemporary with the TCR! I don't believe them-I think the TCR, although it had some good points, was basically a faulty design, and may not have been selling well enough. So they "had a fire", and dropped the TCRsand barrels for it........

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I figured I would get flamed for this post. I guess I am not the only one who does not like beating out a hinge pin to change a barrel.

The problem I have with the hinge pin is sooner or later, if your constantly changing barrels, your going to wear the hinge pin hole. In the end, its just a poke stalk 600 dollar rifle.

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Note to TC..... copy the Blaser or Merkel single shot rifles the next time you want to bring out a quality single shot rifle . .

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I'm glad I read this, I was thinking about getting another barrel for my Encore. I think I'll keep it just a ML. Hell for over $300. for a barrel. I can add a few $ and get another nice Rifle. Thanks for keeping me from getting Sucked in.:D

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LOL Cmon guys!! All them people on tv have gotta know something we dont! I mean they are so much better hunters than we are and hey ALL use them! :D:D



On a serious note have any of you seen one of them miss and listen to the commotion while they try to reload? LOL Funny stuff!! Like I said T/C has done the ultimate marketing job here....anybody that can get $600 out of a polkstock has my respect...lol. Theres no damn way they will get any of my money for one of those things.

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I bought one a few months ago.. For 4 reasons.. 1) I like the ability to change out the barrells (and have not had any issue with my Contender pistol in the 223 and 44 Mag barrell) 2) I like the fact of a light gun that I can order any barrell lenght/color/caliber combination. 3) I wanted a 308 and 4) they had this one on sale for under 400.00..

So what is my plan for this gun.. The 308 will be my drag up the tree on a rope shoot the deer at less than 100 yards gun.. But when my boys are old enough to shoot I will start them out with a 223 or 22-250 20" barrell that is small/light enough for them to use and shoot regularly without knocking thier teeth out until they are old enough to move up to the 243..

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It is, its freakin shear genius on T/C's part. They pull you in little at a time with the idea of "oh, Ican have a 270win for the price of a 300 dollar barrel, instead of 500 for a new rifle",until you have4 barrels, two different sets of stocks, 3 forarms, and one frame, and it finally dawns on you, its a single shot gun you have a fortune invested in.

Oh well, I fell for it.I have wasted money in worse places I guess. Now I can't get rid of it. I have a sub 0.7MOA 204 Ruger setup. I can't get rid of that.

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I have been quite happy with my Encores, but all I have now is a ProHunter muzzleloader. My youngest son has a custom shop 270 and a muzzleloader. I have never bedded a forend and have gotten MOA+/- accuracy out of nearly every barrel that I have owned. My son's 270 is consistently a sub MOA barrel with every type of ammo we have fed it. It is by far the best we have ever had.

Love them or hate them; T/C has sold TONS of them.

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I really don't like the idea that it seems like the TC's are used in about 75% of the different televised hunting shows. Kinda lends a little ammo to the anti's who argue that you don't really need those multi-shot bolt action sniper rifles for hunting...

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Plus...The cost of a scope for each barrel, unless you want to pull the scope and re-sight in each time..

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Yea, but to hear you say it, you get 4" groups out to 500 yards with a 22LR, with you shooting offhand.:D

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I completly disagree. Love the Encore:):):):):):):):):):)

I continue to get the exact sameaccuracy with every barrel for my TC Encore.7mm Rem Mag, 12ga turkey, 50 cal BP. Unless your banging on the scope to get your hinge pin out, how is removing this pin impacting the alignment of the scope to the barrel???????

2 season ago I removed the 50 cal BP barrel and replaced with the 7mm Rem mag. No sighting in needed. Knocked down my biggest deer of the season at just over 275 yards. One shot one kill.

This year I was hunting multiple VA. counties during deer season. One county onlyallows shot guns and BP, and the other county I was able to use my 7mm rifle barrel. On back to back days I shot adoe with the 7mm Rem mag and the next day I shot a doe with the 50 calBP at 150 yards. One shot, one kill , on consective days, with 2 different TC encorebarrels,with the same action and hinge pin.:D:D:D:D

Maybe you need some better glass and have them install by a professional gun smith. Nikon BDC's

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Bigcountry, you are right on this one. My Encore was bought as a muzzleloader and it is a really good one. Then I bought three rifle barrels. Groups from the .35 Whelen and .30-06 barrels were nothing to brag about on a range full of shooters.The Hornet barrel is really accurate.It is just a big hassle to change barrels and forends.The .35 Whelen barrel has already been sold and the .30-06 barrel is going away soon:Will use that Leupold FXIII scope on another gun.

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Yea, thats what I need.:D

Goodness this page cracks me up. You get all kinds.

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I got involved with the TC's while shooting steel handgun silhouettes. For this they excelled big time. I shot the 44 Magnum and later the 35 Remington. I had the carbine in 223 as well. I also used the 30 Herret and 35 Herret. I added the 357 Maxiumum to the list and last but not least, the 45-70. These were however all on the Contender. I never liked the idea of real high pressure single shots but my expierence with the Contender and lower pressure barrles have all been good.

Same goes for the NEF rifles, I have had great service from the rimmed lower pressre calibers and mostly problems with the rimless high pressure ones. I wouldn't touch one of the new Magnum models with a 30 foot poles.

Lastly I agree that as main hunting tools, if you want a shotgun, buy a shotgun, If you wany a rifle buy a rifle. I have had excellent customer service from TC in the few times it was needed.

Yeah BC, get rid of those tasco scopes.:D:D:D:D Put a little class in your Glass. ;)

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I have never made such a claim. You are the King of the BS on this board.

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Oh, don't cry, just jokin with you a little. Goodness, you get your feelings hurt easy. :D

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Yeah... my Schmidt and Bender really sucks.... :eek: especially attached with that crappy talley base... and that scope and base was installed by a proffesional gunsmith, who also did a trigger job on the rifle.

There is not a factory load made for a 7mm-08 I haven't shot... the gun's best group with factory ammo was just a few tenths under 4" CTC at 100 yards. I have spend $100s (no exaggeration) on reloading bullets and powders and what not for that piece of **** and even after countless hours on the range and on the reloading bench, the best group that rifle has ever shot is just over 2" CTC.

I am convinced that either the chamber was reamed sideways, or something. I have no idea. But it is flat out unacceptable to me. I love the way the gun handles, I like the way it shoots (but not HOW it shoots), and I just bought a 12ga turkey barrel for the girlfriend. The 7mm-08 barrel and the broken ass wood stock is on its way back to TC. Turnaround time right now according to them is 6-8 weeks... thats how many they are working on... hell turkey season would be over by the time I got it back if I sent the frame too.

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I never did buy into the T/C crap. For one thing there ain't no way I'm paying $600.00 dollars or more for a piece of **** single shot! One of my best friends and my brother-in-law each bought one last year, it didn't take very many range sessions and they got rid of those guns faster than you can say junk lol!

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+2

When I bought my Encore thats what I thought cool I can get a different barrel then it shot so good I was scared to mess with it until it busted the wood.But it is still strickly M/L.

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I wouldadd for a TC single shot CF. I'd pay 600 for a Ruger #1 though:D.

I like the encore's feel and handling been considering for awhile about adding an encore to my 50 cal ML collection but the price hasheld me back. Not to mention the flex tech pro hunter which I just don't like is what i have found locally! I never bought into the marketing hype of 1 gun/swap barrels I looked at the cost associated for swapping barrels, it never madesense to me..[&:].

As to swpping barrels without verification, IMHOirresponsible[:o]. I would never not fire a group prior to hunting if I changed something, especially sight or bedding related.Hell I verify POI throughout the season even when nothing is touched.

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Most people do not understand about bedding, they think, just because the scope is mounted to the barrel, it will not change. But I assure you, you take 90% of the bolt action rifles, and take them out of thier stock and replace them, you will see a POI change out to 300 yards, maybe small, maybe 6". I know I take special care with torquing my action screws to the exact poundage and that helps.

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How many individuals know nothing about action torque itself?? I use a torqure driver and tighten them to the same specs each time, some rifles just walk after they have been unseated even when retightened to spec. I can't imagine guess by golly and not verifing POI??? Maybe I am just way to anal b/c such practice or thoughts is baffling to me.:eek:

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I bought my Encore back a while, paid just under $400. Makes a good ML. shoots great.Thats what I'll use it for.,

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No doubt as a ML, its a great gun. No arguement here.

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Call me anal on this one as well Skeeter. You wouldnt believe some of the stuff I see at the shooting range here right before deer season. People will put a scope on a gun and shoot an entire box of shells and call it good if they are on a cardboard box at 50-100 yards...never mind its a 3 or 4 foot box. I've seen em shoot new guns till the barrel is damn near smoking..you name it. Makes you leery of buying used guns..lol.

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6" high, good enough..LOL Just aim low. I've seen guys do that in Archery, screw the broad heads in. they shoot low left, They'll just aim high right at game, instead of moving their sights.. Go Figure.

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Marriage!

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How do you know what the exact poundage is required for your rifles...? :eek:

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wow if I could find a ML encore for that kind of money I'd surely own one. Coming down in price but still for a NIB walnut/blue encore your looking at 650-700. I haven't convinced myself as a smokepole they are worth that much just yet. Adding to the problem is I want to compare the Truimph and Knight KRB before I buy. I don't need another inline so no pressing need to buy which makes it much easier to sit back. Off topic a bit...sorry!!

Doe dumper rest assured your not the only place that has such individuals, it happens here a lot. Heading to the range on the weekend before a gun season is set to open is nothing short of a gong show. Most common words heard are: "close enough"...[:'(]

In regards to adjusting your bow sights, that should be only done after you are sure your bow is tuned, arrows spined correctly, spin tested, etc.Basically last resort. One of the signs a bow is off to me has always been spin a BH on and the flight changes dramatically from the fp. First thing I do when getting ready to run BH's is paper tune, it tells me what I need to know and eliminates frustration down the road. Sorry way off topic :eek: