salukipv1

Only say 10 years ago it seemed that there were 2 .300 mags, the .300 win mag, and the .300 weatherby, now we have the .300 WSM, .300 RUM, .30-378 wby. I'm surprised at the popularity of the .300 RUM, the .300 WSM isn't as much of a surprise to me, since it gives your a short action .300 win mag essentially, which is nice. But the .300 RUM seems like what we already had, a .300 wby? Was the .300 win mag that bad we needed a .300 RUM? Can you get a .300 RUM that much cheaper than a .300 wby? How much difference is ther ein the price of ammo? Do like the beltless WSM and RUM though, just surprised by the success of the .300 RUM, so the 2nd part to the question, which is the best/your favorite? Any reason why?

bigbulls

Not really. First the 300RUM doesn't have the useless belt on the case. The RUM case has about 15% more capacity than the WBY mag so it is able to produce higher velocities if you reload. The only problem with the RUM is that factory loadings are pathetic. This is so with all the RUM factory loadings. [:'(]

For instance Federal lists the same 180 grain barnes TSX as 3150 in the RUM and 3110 for the WBY.

But in hodgdons reloading manual they list the same speer SPBT at 3300 for the RUM and 3171 for the WBY.

Yes, ammo is generally 10 - 20 dollars cheaper per box and a Remington 700 is generally a heck of a lot cheaper than a Weatherby MK-V.


In a 30 caliber magnum Iprefer the 300WSM over the RUM, Win, WBY. I am no fan of belted cases unless the belt is needed like on the H&H cases, 458 Lott &Win, etc...
IMO the RUM is too much of a good thin. It has too much case capacity for the .308 bore diameter. IMO that muchcase capacity is better suited to .338 and larger.

salukipv1

Why is a belt needed on the H&H? or any cartridge for that matter?

Aren't rem 700 about $700 or $800?You can get a MK-V for.....under $1000....

bigbulls

The belt is needed on an H&H case because of the gentle (long)shoulder angle. It isn't sufficiently steep enough to headspace on.

On a straight wall case such as the 458 Lott there is no shoulder so the belt provides the "shoulder" for correct headspace.

On a bottle necked cartridge like the 300 Winchester magnum there is a shoulder to headspace on. But the cartridge headspaces on the belt. But only until that case has been fired and formed to the chamber dimensions. So in cases like these the belt is not needed and only redundant.



The 300RUM can be had in a Remington SPS which retails for$530 new.

rbullom

I classify the 300's into two categories. The large capacity high velocity (Warbird, 30-378, 300 RUM) they can handle the 180 grain bullet like the others handle the 165/168 grain bullets. The 300 win., 300 WSM are more suited to the 165 class with less recoil, less case capacity and lower velocity with a similar size bullet. The 300 Weatherby kind of falls in the middle.

The 300 RUM is based on a 404 Jeffery's Case necked down to a 308. Though most think of the 180 grain as the bullet to match with this cartridge, I like the 168 barnes. It turns this 308 into a 22-250 ballistic bomb. The Warbird will still out do it but not by much and doesn't cost $5/cartridge to shoot like the Warbird.

SwampCollie

I like the 300 WSM. Short action, doesn't really kick at all. Plenty enough power.

If I need more power.... I'll use the 330 Dakota.. although some posters (here comes a cheap shot) prefer the .340 Weatherby for some reason

I do like the 300 dakota as well, at least on paper because I haven't shot one. It, like the 300 RUM, is built off a .404 Jeffrey's case... although the Dakota was here first I believe... but I don't have my book in front of me to confirm or deny that.

Honestly in my opinion if you need anything more than a .300 Win Mag you ought to be shooting a .338 class cartridge... if not a .375.

salukipv1

Just checked out the Rem. SPS. they can keep it! (rem that is.) Is it just me or is that one of the ugliest rifles out there? That's like there all weather conditions rifle... XCR....those grey rubberized grips.....another ugly one in my opinion. Now of course a rifles should first shoot straight, 2nd. handle the elements, 3rd look pretty. Though I feel no rifle can score a 10 in 2 of those categories, and a 0 or 2 in a 3rd category. Can also get a weatherby Vanguard in .300 wby, to compete with those rem 700....or SPS models. To each their own, I won't be buying an XCR or SPS. Seriously if i was given that rifle, i'd sell it.

salukipv1

I think guys more than ever are obsessed with the flattest shooting rifle.....I think if people knew how their cartridge shot at a given distance, they wouldn't need a flat shooting cartridge. I don't mind compensating for a round, I remember a while back a guy said just point and shoot, or was talking about, being dead on at 200, and at 400yds being like a few inch difference, cant recall the specifics but he was way off on the drop of his bullet. Guess though if you dont know range, a flatter shot will help you, but i tend to know range, and bullet drop, and drop that bullet right on target.

bigbulls

You asked. I just provided the answer. Don't get mad at the answer. I never said it would win any beauty contests.

salukipv1

Not mad at all bigbulls, just responding, I knew the gap between rem and weatherby was probably larger than I though it was, though a nice remington will be closely priced to a nice/cheaper priced weatherby. though 700 vs 900 or 1000 might be a huge gap.