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what should you expect from a slug gun?(by slug gun i mean a shotgun with a rifled barrel) in terms of range how far would be a max shot? would a muzzel loader be more accurate at long disances or would a slug gun? im gunna buy a new deer gun and dont know if i should et a muzzel loader or a shotgunwith a rifled barrel

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As far as accuracy and range goes it all depends on your indiviual gun. A slug gun in general would be more accurate than a muzzleloader but many muzzleloaders are VERY accurate. If you work with a slug gun and try different ammo and tune it well, it might get passable groups at 200 yards. But most go about 150 yards out of the box.

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Honestly, it would have to be one steady shot with a sluggun to take a 150 yard shot. It is doable. I get 2" groups with my browning gold slug gun. 100 yards is most I will shoot anymore with it with the regular 1oz slugs. But next year, I am going to try those lighter slugs from remington with extended range.

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I disagree. I think muzzleloaders are more accurate. I never shoot oover 100 yards. If you want a slug gun, the H&R Ultraslug is a very accurate gun,and the price is low.

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how much does a H&R superslug cost in comparison to a nice muzzel loader?

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H&R are very inexpencive. I'd get one. You just have to shop around on the net for someplace that sells them and lists the price.

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Go with the H & R ultra slug gun, i belive a good inline ML will run u more than it will.



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I bought the H&R ultra slugger a couple of years ago. Its a 12 ga single shot built on a 10 ga blank. I paid $200.00 at a local gun shop and topped it off with a bushnell 1.75-5x32 trophy scope. I shoot the old federal premium 3 inch hour glass shaped sabots and get 1 inch groups at 100 yards. As soon as I shoot all of these up I will be switching to the new winchester 2 3/4 inch partition golds. You are supposed to be able to shoot out to 200 yards with these. I have never recovered a sbot from a kill. You get complete pass throughs as the round weighs about an ounce. It leaves quarter sized holes all the way through the animal. No problem with blood trails. The gun without scope weighs 9 pounds. I would rather hunt with it than my 7mm rem mag.

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Well boys this is a subject I love (just like my H & R Ultra!).

1950KID - You are right on.

MIKEW62 - All you say is correct from here! Exceptionally accurate gun! I got away from sabots though, they are alright but have proven not to be as consistently accurate as I've found the Genuine Brenneke slugs to be. Brenneke recommends then for rifled barrels and I love them. Depending how far I anticipate a shot to be from a given stand or stalk I will use the appropriate slug, 2 3/4" or 3". They too go right through and carry more energy I believe than any other slugs out there. I had a deer come in on me and didn't see him till about 75 yards and couldn't raise and shoot till it was about 45-50 yards and right straight at me. I wasn't expecting a close shot like this so I had Brennekre 3" Gold Mag chambered. From my tree stand it went in about top of breast plate and went out rear left roast. When gutting it out you wouldn't believe how much shock had been delivered to it's internals! Brennekes are worth a try Mike! I feel they give superior performance both accuracy and especially knockdown than sabots and cost is better.

BUT.......200 yards is not an ethical shot by me, as I don't shoot anything or any distance without complete confidence in the abilities of me and my weapon.

I did a little experiment. I used standard paper plate. ( I always do for practice or sight in cause that's the basic size of a whitetails heart lung area). Used bed of my truck as a rest. Shot 5 to warm up. Then.............100 yards = 3 out of 3 in tight group (2 touched).
150 yards = Got 3 out of three on plate, closest 2 being 3 inches. 175 yards = Got 2 out of three on plate. both were within 2 inches of edge @ 9 and 2 o'clock positions. 200 YARDS = Had to shoot 5 times to hit paper, and two more shots couldn't find the plate.

But by all means this is a deadly #$*(^$#!@&()*^ 'er!!! What makes it so accurate is the bull barrel (10 gauge blank drilled and rifled to 12 gauge-and H& R keeps their dimensions TIGHT to really "POP" that slug out!)

I bought mine when they first came out, it's a 12 gauge (actually first year was 20 ga. only, mine is second year). Mine is "Deluxe" model which was checkerewd stocks and it is the laminated camo finish. It has somehow been given the nickname "Pimpgun" by a few guys I hunt with. I topped it with a Simmons 4X shotgun scope, which has worked out great. 2X was a consideration but when wanting to "reach out to nature" a 4X is a better choice.

I will be buying a new Ultra Slug in 20 gauge for my son pretty quick and have been pricing at local shops....about $220-250 is what they're asking. They all come with no sights at all, just a scope rail (really nice one, too) as they always have.

In closing Mike I would like to thank you for reminding me of those two old words that I had almost completely forgotten. BLOOD. TRAIL.

Ain't done any since I got my H& R!

Uncle Matt in Illinois!

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Uncle Matt, Try 3 inch Federal sabots in the 20 guage. I like Lightfield too.
(Do you think I have too many deer guns?):)

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By hance do yo know how much more does it cost to get the deluxe version?

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Wait a minute i" groups at 100 yards!?!??!?!?!?!?!?! thats unbelieveable!!!! i didnt think a slug could be that accurate. how may shot are you considering a group? 3?

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High Country UF,

Really it is not all that uncommon with my H&R Ultra Slug gun on a calm day for a three shot group. :)

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im defenetly gunna get the H&R ultra-slug, slug gun. i wont have the money for another month tho... but that will give me time to price it at diffrent places. ae there any websites that have the price my local sporting goods store wants $260 for th deluxe model and $235 for the normal, think i can get a better price on the internet?

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I didn' t see any on Gunbroker.com auctions. The prices you were quoted don' t sound outrageous.

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I once had an Ithaca Deerslayer with 20" barrel (smoothbore), and with one particular lot of Remington Foster-type slugs, it would shoot 3" three-shot groups @ 100 yards. But, I have three round-ball muzzleloaders that shoot 1" or less (5 shots) @ 100yards...but only on a calm day! Are slug shotguns more accurate than muzzleloaders?? Not if you have a well-made muzzleloader, and are firing the right bullets with the correct powder charge in it!!

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I picked up a NEF Survivor in Heavy Varmit Barreled .223 Rem for under $200. It has a synthetic thumbhole stock and forend. Sent it in this past spring and had the Ultra Slug 20 gauge barrel fitted for $95, that included return shipping charges and a new forend to fit the barrel. Topped it with an older, but never used camo rubber-armored Simmons 4x40 Tele-View scope. With Winchester BRI Sabots I can hold a 2" group at 100 yards off-hand. Wouldn' t try shots much over 140-150 yards as the groups begin opening up aroung 125-130 to 4-5" . Going to try Win' s Partition Gold Sabots this summer, along with Lightfield' s, just for comparison.

Took my first shotgun whitetail this past season with it, A 3.5 year old 7-point. I was really impressed at the gun/slug combo' s performance on this buck.

H&R was renamed New England Firearms, and NEF is now part of the Marlin family. Check out each companies website, there are links in both ways.

As far as comparison to muzzleloaders, that' s difficult. My Savage 10MLIISS sends a 300 gr., .452 cal Hornady XTP into 1.5" groups at 200 yards and still carries nearly a ton of KE at that point. I' ve target shot it out to 400 yards and from a solid rest it will consistently print 5" groups.

My Frontier Carbine hammerlock, I wouldn' t try a shot over 100 yards with it. But then again we' re sorta comparing apples and oranges here.

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I would definitely agree that in most cases a muzzle loader will shoot more accurately than a slug gun. My favorite is the Thompson Center Encore 209 X 50 Magnum. With the right load they are scarey accurate.

However the right slug gun combination will group very respectfully also. The most inexpensive one that I have come across is the H&R Ultra Slug. The triggers aren' t very good but if I do my part it will shoot " lights out."

Besides when I get tired of the ole Ultra Slugger because of its heft, I can use it in any number of other areas...pry bar, driving in fence posts, wagon tongue, pipe wrench extension, axle, drive shaft,.....the possibilities are almost endless. ;)

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Well, my old CVA 50 cal muzzleloader would shoot better than my mossberg by about 1" at 100 yards. BUT, I' ve almost always had some problems with hunting in the rain with it, and bullets were more expencive. Also I have always tried to make the first shot count, but sometimes stuff goes wrong and you better be able to back up the first shot with another one. A shotgun makes this quick and easy. A muzzleloader takes a few more seconds even with speed loads.

I loved hunting with my muzzleloader, but a single shot 12ga slug gun with rifled barrel will serve you much better I think. You can also get different barrels for the H&R, but you can' t do that with most muzzleloaders.

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1950 - I will try those 3" Federal sabots and see what happens. A little loss in knockdown I think and more $$$ (compared to my Brenneke 3" Gold Mags), but hey, I may learn a thing or two. Can' t be afraid of learning.

High Country - Deluxe is like $35 or $40 more than " standard" . Deluxe gets you the laminated camo finish and checkered stocks, along with a como pattern sling.

Any slight savings you may find on E-Bay would probobly be eaten up by whatever your local gun shop would charge for a receiving fee.

Here is the only drawback I ever found and my solution. THE FRONT SLING SWIVEL is just in the wrong place. It' s gotta be there somewhere but it is in the way. If you rest your finger right against it, it will give ya some hurt on firing.

SOLUTION: I took the front swivel mount off entirely. Adjusted my sling to fit snugly over the barrel and threaded it over the barrel. The sling is adjusted so that it will only slide on/off the barrel when the gun is fully broke open....worked out great.

1" groups aren' t really any kind of a big deal shooting this slug gun from a bench, really, nothing special. It' s a shooter! One needs to believe to achieve.

G-Force - $95.00 for a slug barrel?!?! That' s great! That' s also the cheapest slug barrel I' ve ever heard of, let alone a bull barrel! QUESTION: Did it also come with the scope mounting rail? I wonder if I can get regular barrels to go on the Ultra Slug " receivers" ?

In closing I gotta LOL! at Antler Eater, if ya only wounded a deer with your last slug, you could definately finish em off with that 8-9 pounds of Ultra Slug Hunter............WACK! WACK! WACK![X(]

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I see slug guns and muzzleloaders as about equivalent.....and the muzzleloaders are almost always single shots....think about that.

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If there are any big gun shows in your area, you might be able to pick up a 12 guage H&R slug gun at a really good price. I see guys selling used ones every once in a while. A lot of people don' t like gun shows, but I have found some great deals from individuals walking around with something to sell.

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The H&R ultra slugger is " THE GUN." I wouldn' t trade it for anything. It will shoot 1 inch groups only if you experiment and find the ammo that it likes. I went through a little over a $100.00 of ammo from different manufacturers before I found the one that my gun liked. I tried winchester super x BRI sabots and remington premier copper solid slugs. Neither grouped better than 2-3 inches at 100 yards. I switched to federal premiums and it was on. It even made a difference with the federals if I used the silver brass or gold brass round. The silver were more accurate than the gold brass round. So when I buy rounds I have to open the boxes and check the color of the brass. This gun will not fail you if you do your part.

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man i got lucky i called the gun shop in the next city (about 10 minutes away) and they carry the ultra slug hunter 12 ga. for only 189.95!!! i acn' t wait until i get paid in about a month that gun is gunna be so awsome!!

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uncle matt - Yes, the Ultra Slugster heavy barrel is only available w/ scope rail.

http://www.hr1871.com/barrelAcc/index.htm

This link will give you info on barrel availability.

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;)

Picked up another Ultra Slug yesterday! $195.00 + $4.50 for background check phone call + tax was $212.00!

20 gauge, standard (non-deluxe). None were in stock so he called his suppliers and said he couldn' t find one for me. Turned out he was looking for 12 gauges! Getting a 20 was no problem, just no access to a 12 that day. Thought that was a little weird. But he said it could change in the computer in a day!

My oldest boy is gonna be a happy guy!

The shop also had a laminated camo single shot regular 12 gauge for $95.00. Damn nice looking gun. My favorite old Stevens 94 is gettin a little worn. So I
thinking.......................................... ...............

Hey $95.00!

Can' t wait to mount that Simmons 4X and shoot about $75.00 of ammo!:D

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Remember fellas, that slug gun is about the heaviest gun out there. Is is really worth it to have to carry that big sucker just for 1" or so tigher groups maybe? These days I go for lightness. As long as I get 3" or under, it has to be light.

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Bigcountry, I see your point. To me it would depend on the type of hunting that you do. If your pushing deer or any type of hunting where there is a lot of ground to cover, than your right, another slug gun would more than likely serve you better.

On the other hand if your going to a blind or spot where you will be sitting waiting for the deer to come to you, then I think this weapon is an undeniable asset, especially if the shots are around that 100 yard marker.

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Even in a blind, a heavy gun is a pain, trying to stay alert at all times. But the asset within just shooting a 100yards. Your not gaining any. I mean, I see these monster heavy slug guns getting good groups, but not much better than even my cheap ole 870, or my browing gold. If you could improve the BC of a slug up to .2 or so, maybe the benefit would come because your shooting flatter and maybe up to 200 yards. Just don' t see the benefit. Shoot what you guys like. I mean they are not that expensive. Just before forking over your hard earned cash, thought you might want to think a little.

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bigcountry, does your Browning Gold have a rifled barrel? If it does or doesn' t what type of ammo are you having the best results with?

I am not sure what you mean when you say: " improve the BC of a slug up to .2 or so..."

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Antler Eater,

BC = Ballistic Coefficient

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Thanks UM :)

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I personally don' t really notice the weight between guns. The H & R comes with a sling if it gets too heavy for ya. I use the sling going out in early morning before legal shooting starts.

Big Country, I haven' t seen a Browning that doesn' t shoot reasonably well. And I' ve never really seen any Brownings with function problems either. Both points that apply to Remington autos, too. If you' re shootin thru a rifled barrel, I would be very disappointed if I couldn' t touch a couple holes out of 5 or 6 at 100 yards. Brownies are nicer weapons no doubt, in the fact of the wood finishes but you really do have to fork out the cash for one. I prefer the Belguim made ones as they truly had the " old world craftsmanship" that many mistakenly think they all still do.

But back to the pound or two weight difference comparing an H & R to autos or pumps. Yes the H & R is probobly the heaviest out there, listed in H & R' s book @ 8 - 9 pounds. (If anyone can tell me a heavier one, please do.) Being I am an ex-jock and current soccer coach and trainer, good sized @ about 6-1 & 265 pounds I don' t care if a gun is 2 pounds or 10 pounds.

If your weapon weighing a couple of extra pounds is gonna make or break your hunting experience then be careful out there with tour Browning " Light" . Only shoot the smaller deer..........if they are too large you' ll have to drag all that extra unneccessary weight out of the field! Remember, even a fat doe has a bone-to-meat ratio that is beyond what is considered efficient. (Just LOL with me & don' t take it personally now, OK?)

I won' t hunt in any woods that don' t have sidewalks either as it is simply too hard to walk thru weeds, over deadfalls, etc.........

To each his own. I eat meat, some people don' t. I like Dodge trucks, others like Ford or Chevy. 12 or 20 gauge? .30-06 or 7mm? 9mm or .45?.........................................Whate ver it takes to get the job done!

I wish you all very rewarding and sucessful hunting! Remember, the hunt is great the minute you step into the great outdoors, whether you harvest your game or not, you' re a winner!

Now....." Go Get Ya One!"

Uncle Matt