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It's been said before, but what we're they thinking?

The .25WSSM, which is basically a shorter .25-06, same ballistics. Why not a .25 Souper (ie .25-308) or a .257 WSM?

The .308 has now been necked up/down to almost every caliber and is commercially loaded, so why not a .257-308? Maybe Remington should ressurect its 6mm as a new .257-6mm Rem. Beat everyone else to it! and since they 6mm beats the .243 but isn't popular, maybe this would be the best thing to do.I know the .308 comes in.....243 win, 260 Rem, 7mm-08, 308, 338 Federal, viable gap is the .257 I think, and please don't load a .270-308, though i bet this would be the first one they do, accroding to track records....

The .338 federal? Did we need a .338-308? I would suspect more guys would want a .338-06 though I don't need either of these.

I know guys love the .270 WSM, and it beats the .270 Win by 100-200fps, but .270 is already a great round, I'd rather have seen a .264(6.5mm)WSM released than the .270 WSM, I already have a .270 Win.

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PS- Someone should beat ruger to it, if ruger does, how about a different name, but a .416 Ruger, I see this category as wide open, they .375 ruger is said to have a solid chance to go after .375H&H customers, but compete with 1 of the most popular rounds of all time? And why not offer the .375 Ruger in a rifle that's a little nicer/fancier, kinda like the one they offer .375H&H in.....416 , and 458 Lott in, just a more compact version. Otherwise someone else should manufacture this rifle and load it in .375 Ruger, because I really don't want it chambered in the rifles they're offering.

The .416 arena is wide open to my understanding, let's make the .416 Ruger the standard.

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Thereare enough obsolete calibers now. What about those poor suckers that bought em when they were the hottest thing ever and now cant find ammo? I can see the futurewssm, wsm(except the 300, and maybe 270) are nearly given away at gun shows for peanuts. Every caliber that could possibly have a use already exists. Makes for some good deals on rifles for the reloaders. The only exception I can think of in the last 20 years that made a difference was the 17hmr.

I dont have a problem with wildcats, its fun to tinker, but I'm getting sick of hearing about 5 new "got to have" calibers a year that dont do anything the others didnt already do.

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I have a .270 WSM and all I will say is that the trade off of a little more speed, compared to the price of the standard factory ammo and one less shell in the magazine - because of the size of the case. Is not worth the extra price.

If it was not for the fact that I bought the gun on a trade, I never would have bought it.

If the right gun comes along, I will trade it off in a heart beat.

Just that I put a Bushnell Elite 3200 - 5 x 15 x 40 scope on it and it is probably worth as much as the rifle - a Browning A Bolt Medallion.

Nobody would give me what I have in it!

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Yes, they are failures.

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They would be about 80 years too late. The .257 roberts has allready been invented, and already lost its popularity to the .243. The US has never had much affinity for 7x57 based cartridges.

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There is always interest in new WHIZ BANG magnums. I can understand that. But why would you think there would be any interest in mundane-medioacre cartridges like the quarter bore??? There are alreadymore cartridges in that area than what is needed. The 260 Remington is a fantastic round IMO, but it doesnot out perform so many other close cartridges like the 7-08, or 7X57. IMO the 260 would be the minimum-I do not have much use for anything quarter bore or below(except varmints).

The caliber's above thirty caiber have some interest because hunter's are looking for short action rifles that can perform. Hence the 338 Federal, and even the 358 Winchester. Tom.

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You just really don't like factory cartridges do you salukipv1?

You keep saying "I" already have such and such... "I" don't want such and such.... "I" don't need such and such. I have a sneaking suspision that the companies responsible for introducing new cartridges are worried about more than just you. They are looking at the much broader picture.

That's what the 6mm Remington is.... A 6mm-.257 Roberts. If you necked up the 6mm Remington you would simply be back to the .257 Roberts.

Why wouldn't/ shouldn't they create a .277-08? IMO this would make an even better deer cartridge than the supurb 7mm-08 that litterally any one could shoot well.

The 338 Federal has long been a very popular wildcat and makes an incredibly potent ultralite mountain rifle for elk, moose, etc...with out brutal recoil. As factory loaded with 210 grain partitions the .338 Win mag has less than a 100 yard advantage in energy, velocity, and trajectory over the 338 Federal.

BTW the 338-06 is already a legitimatefactory cartridge.

People already say that the 7mm WSM isn't going to make it and that the .270WSM isn't as poppular as it should be. I can guarantee you that the 6.5WSM wouldn't make it as a factory loading for more than a few years.

Good Lord they just introduced it last year. give them some time. They aren't going to just go right out and chamber a cartridge in every single rifle configuration that they make. BTW they are introducing cother cartridges based ont he .375 Ruger. One is a 300RCM and the other is a .338RCM. I am sure that if the .375 Ruger becomes as popular as they are projecting that a .416 Ruger will be in the works. They aren't going to offer everything in just a single year. You also have to keep in mind is that true dangerous game cartridges are purchased by a very small amount of customers.



Bottom line is this...... A firearms - ammunition company must look at the broad picture. There are but a few bullet diameters that will make it in the US. These include----- .223, .243/ 6mm, .284/ 7mm, .308, .338, and .375. Outside of these it is a big gamble here in the states. Yes,I knowI did not include the 257 diameter as it has a very limited fan base and IMO would not be a good bet to introduce a new cartridge on.

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The 250 savage is so rediculously close to a 257-08 . Am I the only guy that ever heard of this one . The 250 savage IS the parent case for the 22-250 hince the 250. I did a little research as I thought a 25-08 would be kinda cool and its a commercial round thats still available .

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Actually a while back one company actually made this cartidge for Bill Ruger's birthday and had a #1 worked on, embelished and chambered for it.