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MUZZLE BRAKE ????'s
I shoot the .300 WM.
I am considering a muzzle brake. But not too familiar with any of them. So I ask yous guys . . . Which one do you recommend that will maintain maximum accuracy? Minimize (most)recoil? Not deafen three counties? And what would I expect to pay a gunsmith for it as well as instalation? Anything alse would be appreciated. |
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I had www.aquilafirearms.com put his on my 7mm Rem Mag. It works good and is also pretty loud. Some companies say the have "quiet brakes" but I've yet to hear a quiet one. Some people say the Holland QD type brakes (baffles instead of holes) are easier on the ears, but are still loud, just not as sharp. If you plan on doing prone shooting a lot, try to get one without holes on the bottom, or close your mouth (trust me on that one).:D
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I also used Aquila for 2 7mm Rem Mags.
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I took mine to a smith out here in Washington....I paid $180 bucks for it. Very nice smooth transition.
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With a MB you'll have to put up with the noise for the reduced recoil.
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Which one do you recommend that will maintain maximum accuracy? Minimize (most)recoil? Not deafen three counties? I strongly suggest you use other options like a limbsaver recoil pad, mercury recoil reducers, weight, etc... etc... You should wear hearing protection every single time you fire a rifle with a brake on it including when you are hunting. WhenI am at the range and someone sits down next to me with a brake on their rifle I double up on my hearing protection with plugs and muffs no matter if they are shooting a .223 or a 300 ultra mag. They are all extremely loud. |
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Don't know your rifle, or barrel, but Armalite makes a super break used on their .308's, .300WM, .338 LM, and .50. You MIGHT be able to get one from them and hav ea good gunsmith put it on your barrel. I don't know how possible that is, but might be looking into. I have the Armalite in .338 Lapua Mag, and with the break, I can shoot it all day. Recoils like a 243. I have had several 80 -100 rnd days on the range with it with no recoil issues, Though the sound, now that is still an issue as stated above.
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I really hate MB's. Especially at the range.
I'm not going to dictate what too much recoil is but a .300 doesn't seem to have much recoil to me. Just a hair more than a .30-06. Maybe you need to consider your shooting style or stance. Find an old bugger at the range and ask for assistance. Tom |
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Best one I have seen so far is the Vais if you absolutely must have one.
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Just my .2 worth here...I know of a guy that went chuck
hunting and forgot all about the noise..Broke his left ear drum...You will have to take ear plug or muffs with you..And I don't know about this one,but I have also heard that the brakes can ruin your scope as well. Maybe someone else knows more about this.... |
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i have a BOSS on my 300 wsm and the noise is terrible ...i hunt with earplugs all the time ..no big deal because i hunt on top of a hill and never hear the game [deer]comming out of the swamp ...also when i go caribou hunting ,we always see them at 200 or 300 yards from us ..i put a LIMBSAVER recoil pad on my .300 wsm and it is very good ,but on the range after 15 or 20 shots it is not enough ..i was going to get a .243 cal wich is the minimum that u can use in QUEBEC CANADA for big game [moose bear and caribou ..it has a low recoil and get's the job done very well ,if the hunter does HIS part ...
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RE: MUZZLE BRAKE ????'s
Just my .2 worth here...I know of a guy that went chuck hunting and forgot all about the noise..Broke his left ear drum...You will have to take ear plug or muffs with you..And I don't know about this one,but I have also heard that the brakes can ruin your scope as well. Hearing protection would be a good idea with some of them and they will kick up a lot of dust in a varmint situation but what in the world are you using something that kicks that hard for varmints in the first place. Walker game ears would be a good idea. The brakes will give your gun a push pull effect much like an air rifle does and speed up the destruction of the scope. All depends on the scope,caliber, weight of rifle,weight of shooter etc etc etc. |
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Take if from me who has a braked gun, Use muffs on plugs at the range and QB2's in the field hunting. Do a google search on quiet band plugs. They are fast to the ears and don't get in the way. Plus you wear them on ur neck so you are not fumbling through your pack to find plugs or muffs. Its like a pair of sunglasses. Most retail stores will have them, Home Depot, WalMart, Lowes all retail them for about $8.00.
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http://www.copquest.com/44-1500.htm ..yes that is what i use ,great for a hunting situation ..
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Personaly I do not like M/B's. One day at the range my brother in law touched off a round fromhis .223 T/C pistol with aM/B before I got my plugs in. It hurt so bad I can't believe I didn't lose my hearing in that ear.[:@]I shoot my 7mm Mags all day long at the range and never felt the need for one and besides that, when hunting, I won't even pull my hood up over my earslet alone use ear plugs for fear of impeading my hearing. Just my 2 cents
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do yourself a favour wear ear plugs on the range ..if not when u hit 50 your ears will ring day and night ..proper hearing protection is a smart move .[believe me ]
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A local 'smith quotes his custom brakes at 175 and you can't tell where the brake meets the barrel unless you really try with something like your fingernail. He also claims 50% reduction in recoil. I have a 300 Win Mag and a .338 Federal. Neither really give me a problem with recoil even on a 50-60 round session at the range. I finally learned how to shoot. About 3 years ago I couldn't handle more than 10-15 rounds with my 30-30 and that was with a decelerator pad.
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I have one on my savage 7mm. mag, and love it for target shooting. I have a private range so I don't piss anyone off from the noise. I just close my brake while hunting, back to normal. Don't shoot it open with out ear protection. Mine takes about 40 to 50% off the recoil.
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I have one on my 300wsm. I love it. The gun shoots like a 223 auto. If you decide on getting one, do plan on using hearing protection. When I was sighting mine in, I tookmy earplugsout andforgot to stick them back in, one shot and my ears were ringing for 2 days. I paid 180 installed for mine from a local gunsmith. Oh yeah, and if you spend decent money on a scope with a lifetime warranty, I wouldnt worry about scope damage.
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RE: MUZZLE BRAKE ????'s
ORIGINAL: game4lunch I shoot the .300 WM. I am considering a muzzle brake. But not too familiar with any of them. So I ask yous guys . . . Which one do you recommend that will maintain maximum accuracy? Minimize (most)recoil? Not deafen three counties? And what would I expect to pay a gunsmith for it as well as instalation? Anything alse would be appreciated. |
Quiet MB?
Originally Posted by game4lunch
(Post 2509061)
I shoot the .300 WM.
I am considering a muzzle brake. But not too familiar with any of them. So I ask yous guys . . . Which one do you recommend that will maintain maximum accuracy? Minimize (most)recoil? Not deafen three counties? And what would I expect to pay a gunsmith for it as well as instalation? Anything alse would be appreciated. |
Originally Posted by bigbulls
(Post 2509502)
There is no such thing.
I strongly suggest you use other options like a limbsaver recoil pad, mercury recoil reducers, weight, etc... etc... You should wear hearing protection every single time you fire a rifle with a brake on it including when you are hunting. WhenI am at the range and someone sits down next to me with a brake on their rifle I double up on my hearing protection with plugs and muffs no matter if they are shooting a .223 or a 300 ultra mag. They are all extremely loud. |
Another 9 year old thread resurrected from the dead by a newbie and the OP asking the question that started the thread is probably dead!
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But still a viable topic and one with some new technology. The new L6 cone breaks are just one of many with the forward break system. My dad had one on his 7mm08 AR made for him several years ago. It wasn't the L6 but was similar technology. I have to say it is much quieter than any break I have seen. I think it actually dampens the sound a bit. Not much but a couple of decibels. I know his AR is quieter than my 7mm08 bolt rifle. Now before you ask why the old man had a break installed on a 7mm08, that rifle was purpose built for longer range hog shooting so he wanted to minimize as much muzzle lift as possible so he could get on another hog in the pack if he ran across a sounder at range. But he didn't want something that would blow his hunting buddies ears to hell.
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One thing which changed in the almost 10yrs since this thread was last posted was Vais going out of business. Sadly so, they were a very good break.
What may have also changed considerably in the 10yrs is the selection and availablity of suppressors. I don't recall more than two or three locations in Kansas which had them available in 2008, whereas there are probably a half dozen shops just on the close aide of Wichita to me which sell them now. While they might not break recoil quite as much as a rearward directing brake, the reduction is substantial, and the noise reduction is even moreso. If the HPA passes, my son might never know what an non-suppressed centerfire rifle even sounds like. |
Originally Posted by Nomercy448
(Post 4307002)
If the HPA passes, my son might never know what an non-suppressed centerfire rifle even sounds like.
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Originally Posted by Topgun 3006
(Post 4306991)
Another 9 year old thread resurrected from the dead by a newbie and the OP asking the question that started the thread is probably dead!
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If you own a rife with a muzzle break on it you had better be retired if you want to shoot it on our club range. Open twice a week for rifle shooters with breaks Tuesday morning at 9:00 AM till noon. Thursday afternoon from noon to 4:00 PM.
No one wants all that noise blasting them while shooting. Do suppressors cut the felt recoil or just reduce the noise? I have my 300 wm Mag Na Ported. Cuts the felt recoil without all the noise. :D Al |
Originally Posted by alleyyooper
(Post 4307118)
Do suppressors cut the felt recoil or just reduce the noise?
The long version for those interested: A suppressor "quiets" the muzzle blast by slowing down propellant gases, which also reduces recoil. Brakes and suppressors reduce recoil differently: Brakes redirect the gases, which actually creates a partial forward force as the gases slam into the front edges of the ports and are redirected at high velocity. Suppressors expose the escaping gases to a tortuous path, slowing ("letting down") the gases to reduce the muzzle blast as they reach atmospheric pressure. Most guys never consider how much our charge weight contributes to recoil, but it's relatively substantial. For those not familiar with the formula for recoil velocity calculation: Recoil Velocity = [(mass of bullet x velocity of bullet) + (mass of charge x velocity of gases)] / mass of rifle *For those keeping track, this is nothing more than the law of conservation of momentum, solved for velocity of the rifle. For a conventional bottleneck cartridge, SAAMI lists the STANDARD for unsuppressed propellant gas velocity is 1.75 times greater than that of the bullet. So in a 30-06, running a 150grn bullet at 2950fps over 50grns of powder, if you consider how much recoil velocity comes from the bullet and how much comes from the powder (converting grains to pounds mass to scale the numerical results, otherwise not worrying about weight vs. mass): Bullet momentum = 150grn x 2950fps / 7000grn/lbm = 63.2 lbmft/sec Prop Gas momentum: 50 x 1.75 x 2950 / 7000 = 36.9 lbmft/sec Total = 36.9 + 63.2 = 100.1 on the rifle. So a touch over 35% of a rifles recoil is from the gases (in this case). Slow those gases down to 75% of the bullet speed instead of 175% and you reduce total recoil by 21%. Another way of looking at it - because the propellant gases are traveling faster than the bullet, even though they are only 50grns, act as if they were an extra 87grns of bullet weight. We're all familiar with what shooting more bullet weight at the same velocity means in terms of increased recoil. By slowing the gases down to 75%, those 50grns only act like 37.5grn of bullet - a 50grn swing compared to the unsuppressed contribution. So comparing a suppressed vs. non suppressed 30-06 is VERY similar to comparing that 150grn 30-06 to a 100grn .243win. Not to mention - you're adding usually 3/4 - 1 lb of rifle weight by adding a suppressor, which slows recoil velocity by another ~10%, AND positioning it at the muzzle helps reduce muzzle rise as well. |
Originally Posted by game4lunch
(Post 2509061)
I shoot the .300 WM.
I am considering a muzzle brake. But not too familiar with any of them. So I ask yous guys . . . Which one do you recommend that will maintain maximum accuracy? Minimize (most)recoil? Not deafen three counties? And what would I expect to pay a gunsmith for it as well as instalation? Anything alse would be appreciated. Old post, but so what? It's an ongoing question. I put KDF muzzle brakes on my .375 RUM and on my .300 Weatherby, along with Limbsaver pads and in stock recoil reducers. Both of these cartridges are burning 30-40% more powder than a .30-06 or 7mm Rem mag, so they are loud with or with out the brake. Before I had the brake installed on my .375 RUM I couldn't stand to shoot it enough to develop loads for it. After I had the brake installed, I took that rifle on two African hunts shooting a variety of animals from Steenboks to Buffalo, and some from prone positions, all with no recoil issues. I often take two or more rifles to the range so that I can alternate shooting them to allow the barrels to cool. My .300 Weatherby and my .308 Win are both Weatherby vanguards of about equal weight and fit. Both have Limbsaver pads. The .300 Wby has a KDF brake and a mechanical recoil reducer. The felt recoil of the .300 Weatherby is noticeably less that the recoil of the .308 Win. As for accuracy, I feel that my shooting accuracy is improved with the reduction of the recoil of my rifles, as I can concentrate on the trigger squeeze and I can keep cheek contact with the stock after the shots. |
Whew I was told it is a Muzzle break not a muzzle brake.
:D Al |
I typically write it as "brake" because a brake is an object which slows velocity, and the muzzle brake slows the recoil velocity of the rifle by redirecting (and slowing) the propellant gases. A "brake" is a primarily a noun, and is only a verb when describing the action of slowing down, "I braked when I saw the deer run in front of my car."
"Break," alternatively, is typically a verb, as in "to break something," as in "break action shotgun," which breaks, or hinges. When used as a noun, "break" typically describes the location of a verb form break having happened - as in "how did you break your arm?" and, "where is the break in your arm?" So to me, it's a "brake," which slows the recoil velocity of the rifle, and since it is attached to the muzzle, it follows to be called a muzzle brake. |
broke is the past term for break, so after you shoot is your muzzle broke? just wondered.
RR |
Originally Posted by Nomercy448
(Post 4307147)
The short version: Suppressors significantly cut actual recoil, not just noise. Can't do one without the other - noise is reduced by reducing the velocity of the propellant gases as they release from the rifle and slowing those gases reduces their contribution to recoil.
The long version for those interested: A suppressor "quiets" the muzzle blast by slowing down propellant gases, which also reduces recoil. Brakes and suppressors reduce recoil differently: Brakes redirect the gases, which actually creates a partial forward force as the gases slam into the front edges of the ports and are redirected at high velocity. Suppressors expose the escaping gases to a tortuous path, slowing ("letting down") the gases to reduce the muzzle blast as they reach atmospheric Most guys never consider how much our charge weight contributes to recoil, but it's relatively substantial. For those not familiar with the formula for recoil velocity calculation: Recoil Velocity = [(mass of bullet x velocity of bullet) + (mass of charge x velocity of gases)] / mass of rifle *For those keeping track, this is nothing more than the law of conservation of momentum, solved for velocity of the rifle. For a conventional bottleneck cartridge, SAAMI lists the STANDARD for unsuppressed propellant gas velocity is 1.75 times greater than that of the bullet. So in a 30-06, running a 150grn bullet at 2950fps over 50grns of powder, if you consider how much recoil velocity comes from the bullet and how much comes from the powder (converting grains to pounds mass to scale the numerical results, otherwise not worrying about weight vs. mass): Bullet momentum = 150grn x 2950fps / 7000grn/lbm = 63.2 lbmft/sec Prop Gas momentum: 50 x 1.75 x 2950 / 7000 = 36.9 lbmft/sec Total = 36.9 + 63.2 = 100.1 on the rifle. So a touch over 35% of a rifles recoil is from the gases (in this case). Slow those gases down to 75% of the bullet speed instead of 175% and you reduce total recoil by 21%. Another way of looking at it - because the propellant gases are traveling faster than the bullet, even though they are only 50grns, act as if they were an extra 87grns of bullet weight. We're all familiar with what shooting more bullet weight at the same velocity means in terms of increased recoil. By slowing the gases down to 75%, those 50grns only act like 37.5grn of bullet - a 50grn swing compared to the unsuppressed contribution. So comparing a suppressed vs. non suppressed 30-06 is VERY similar to comparing that 150grn 30-06 to a 100grn .243win. Not to mention - you're adding usually 3/4 - 1 lb of rifle weight by adding a suppressor, which slows recoil velocity by another ~10%, AND positioning it at the muzzle helps reduce muzzle rise as well. the guy is smart, just talks in some foreign language RR |
maybe I can get some feedback today under a floor of a old house I found 2 shotgun shells been fired say usc co nu 12 Lowell looks like whole cart is all brass
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vais brakes claims no icnrease in noise
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