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Gee I am really shocked with this news
http://www.remington.com/safety/model_710_notice/ They need to send their owners a rebate check for 300 dollars and be done with this mess
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RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
Can't say I find this too surprising.
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RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
I don’t understand how this could happen, isn’t the 710 the top of the line...:D
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RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
the 710 is not the 700 series your thinking of. i have a 710. i wonder if i could send it back i dont really like it that much.
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RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
A few years ago, there was a boy that wanted his own hunting rifle and his family was not rich and they bought him a model 710 Remington.
He made about a dozen posts about how great his new rifle was and how he was excited about going hunting that year and all the game he was magically going to get with his new firearm. I told him at that time how the model 710 was nothing but a cheap piece of crap and that he should just take it back and get his money back now before something happens. They threw me off the forum. He took it hunting and the very problem that was described in the recall was what happened to him. Only he wasn't fortunate enough to have gotten so lucky as to have his accident back in the middle of the woods when he was by himself. Someone got shot and the last I heard, he is not hunting anymore. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
the 710 is not the 700 series your thinking of. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
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RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
properly how they found out about it someone properly got a big check
ORIGINAL: The Rifleman A few years ago, there was a boy that wanted his own hunting rifle and his family was not rich and they bought him a model 710 Remington. He made about a dozen posts about how great his new rifle was and how he was excited about going hunting that year and all the game he was magically going to get with his new firearm. I told him at that time how the model 710 was nothing but a cheap piece of crap and that he should just take it back and get his money back now before something happens. They threw me off the forum. He took it hunting and the very problem that was described in the recall was what happened to him. Only he wasn't fortunate enough to have gotten so lucky as to have his accident back in the middle of the woods when he was by himself. Someone got shot and the last I heard, he is not hunting anymore. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
Model 700 safeties don't exactly have a stellar safety record.
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RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
If people always keep their rifles pointed in a safe direction, it shouldn't matter. Finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
Never rely on a safety. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
Model 700 safeties don't exactly have a stellar safety record. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
I can't say it better than PAHunter86. We can blame the rifle all we want, but it's the person behind it that points it at things that aren't safe to shoot.
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RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
ORIGINAL: oldelkhunter http://www.remington.com/safety/model_710_notice/ They need to send their owners a rebate check for 300 dollars and be done with this mess |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
ding ding ding we have a winner
any time i hand some one agun or hand one my self i check recheck and check again to make sure it is unload. 2I never point a gun at anything i do not wont to kill and up to now that has not been a person. A gun should never be handled loaded unless at a range or in the woods. Thinking thethe safety on nothing can happen is what gets people killed even if it is not defective. I was showing my uncle my new 500 and i keep it on my wall and with a lock on it but i noticed the safety was off so iput it in the safe position.?Buti also keep it unloaded. And to date i have never fired a gun without wonting to ORIGINAL: PAhunter86 If people always keep their rifles pointed in a safe direction, it shouldn't matter. Finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire. Never rely on a safety. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
Okay, so let's say you are perfect --- the muzzle wasn't pointed at a person, but you flip the safety off and the rifle goes off (the 700 accident pattern per the lawsuits)....
-- How impressed are you going to be with your rifle in the midst of your surprise? Are your excuses going to hold up? --How impressed are your hunting partners going to be with you, regardless whether the bullet flew off into the sky(muzzleblast to their ears)or into the dirt (putting mud onto their jacket) -- What are you going to think when your guide takes you back to camp and puts you on the first planeback homebecause he considers you unsafe? How well will your simplistic excuses fly then? IMHO.... poorly! Of course, you can always refer any of the above back to this thread so you can show them how right you are. Not likely to hold water though. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
Wasn't the 700's safety issue corrected years ago?
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RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
If people always keep their rifles pointed in a safe direction, it shouldn't matter. Finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire. Never rely on a safety. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
Wasn't the 700's safety issue corrected years ago? YOu mean the lawsuits were settled a few years back. As for the fix it was simple ..they didn't allow the bolt handle to lock anymore in the rear position. Some evidently can tolerate this but I won't have it or deal with it anymore. |
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i was not making excuses for Remington's lack of good rifles i doubt i will ever buy one hearing that. You get what you pay for well hopefully.
If i had a gun that might even do that it would make a one way trip back to the manufacture If i was with someone that that happen to doubt i would hunt with them again. I did have a similar thing happen. Me and my dad was at a range and he was loading the 3030 and racked a round to load the 7th round and hit the trigger blow the end off our case it was sitting on . and i was two feet to the right and one back . i thought i was going to piss my self Again you get what you pay for buy something cheap and it might just kill you . ORIGINAL: EKM Okay, so let's say you are perfect --- the muzzle wasn't pointed at a person, but you flip the safety off and the rifle goes off (the 700 accident pattern per the lawsuits).... -- How impressed are you going to be with your rifle in the midst of your surprise? Are your excuses going to hold up? --How impressed are your hunting partners going to be with you, regardless whether the bullet flew off into the sky(muzzleblast to their ears)or into the dirt (putting mud onto their jacket) -- What are you going to think when your guide takes you back to camp and puts you on the first planeback homebecause he considers you unsafe? How well will your simplistic excuses fly then? IMHO.... poorly! Of course, you can always refer any of the above back to this thread so you can show them how right you are. Not likely to hold water though. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
It seems to that Remington has let the quality go by the way side to remain competetive I have handeled and shot several new Remington rifles in the last 2-3 years I am not impressed at all I have several older Remington's mostly BDL varmints and I wouldnt trade them for anything but I think I will pass on the new ones just my opinion chad
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RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
ORIGINAL: childers the 710 is not the 700 series your thinking of. i have a 710. i wonder if i could send it back i dont really like it that much. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
Back in the day, when I was about 15 or 16, we were at deer camp and were getting ready to go into the camp and when we were unloading our rifles, I was using my dads 721 - '06 and when I was cycling the rounds with the bolt to unload it - it went off and I had my butt chewed out for about 1/2 an hour.
I had the rifle pointed towards the camp, since there was 3 of us and we all pointed in a different direction - when we were unloading and the Blazer was right in front of me. The bullet went under the Blazer and nobody got hurt. Now according to my dad, it was all my fault. Because I shouldn't have been unloading that gun with my gloves on. But Remington did recall it and dad never did get it fixed. That is just one of them guns that you buy it and you use it until you can afford something better. Then it sits in the gun rack for a generation or two. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
So did it "go off by itself" or do you think your gloved (cold?) hands may have nudged the trigger in the cycling process?
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RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
In my opinion if you close the bolt on a gun and it fires it has more severe problems than a safety malfunction issue. I think in most cases this happens when people mess around with the trigger and make it too light. When and if this does happen it should not be loaded again and should be taken directly to gunsmith to be looked at. Why would anyone have a gun that does this and keep using it?
And this in not the problem in this particular recall. They are simply saying the safety may or may not work every time, not that the gun is discharging on its own. I will probably get bashed for this, but I rarely use the safety on any of my guns. I normally don't load a round in the chamber until I am ready to shoot something and I don't put my finger on the trigger until I am ready to fire. In 30 years of owning and shooting various fire arms I have never accidentally discharged one. I have owned too many fire arms that didn't have safeties to rely on them. I will add that I don't sling a rifle with a round in it and walk around, or set a loaded weapon in a corner. If the gun is loaded it is in my hand where I have control of it. If I am not going to have control of it I clear the action in most cases. My exception to this rule is with single shot/single action weapons that have an exposed hammer. Many won't agree with these practices I'm sure, but then again I see lots of people that think they are being safe doing things that scare the crap out of me. So to each his own I guess. I saw a guy pull a loaded rifle up into a tree once with the muzzle pointed towards him[:o]. Hey, the safety was on though;). I am in a agreement though, the 710 is a pretty sorry excuse for a bolt action rifle. I would be ashamed of it if I worked at Remington. John Browning is probably looking down from heaven shaking his head in disgust. Paul |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
Paul,
I agree with you except your second paragraph. "....And this in not the problem in this particular recall. They are simply saying the safety may or may not work every time, not that the gun is discharging on its own. " Had he lived, Gus Barber would have turned 10 years old this week. CBS News told you his story last February, just months after his mother's Remington Model 700 rifle discharged and struck him in the stomach. For Barb Barber, it is a moment stuck in time. "I pulled the safety off and it fired. The gun went off. My finger was nowhere near the trigger. I had an open hand," she recalled. Gus bled to death that winter day and one family's tragedy might have gone down as just another tragic gun accident until a curious thing happened, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart. One by one the Barbers' Montana neighbors reported that they, too, had experienced accidental discharges with Remington Model 700s. People like Sheriff T. Larson. "Took off the safety and the gun discharged," said Larson. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
That is a model 700, the recall in question in this post is the model 710 and in the recall notice it states nothing to the effedt that the gun is discharging on it's own. Simply that the safety is not returning to a safe position when you flip the lever. Which means that if the trigger is pulled it will fire, not that it will fire on its own or when the safety is engaged or disengaged.
It sounds to me like Remington doesn't have a very good track record with safety issues. Like I said, I have heard of guns doing this, but normally it is a trigger problem, not a safety switch problem. The majority of the time when I see it you cycle the bolt to load a round and the firing pin goes off on its own. Normally from having too light of a trigger or something. I guess depending on how the safety is designed it could go off when the safety was disengaged. Out of curiosity, do you know if the people sued Remington over it? My biggest question though is why would you disengage the safety with the weapon pointed in an unsafe direction? I mean it sucks that it happened but come on why would you do that? Paul |
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ORIGINAL: glockman55 ORIGINAL: childers the 710 is not the 700 series your thinking of. i have a 710. i wonder if i could send it back i dont really like it that much. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
Remington 710's, 700's, and 721's had been discussed thru the course of the thread.
I didn't pick up on that you were returning to the start (710); to me looked like a response to the Rifleman (721-700). My bad. |
RE: Gee I am really shocked with this news
No problem, I figured that is what happened. The internet can get a bit confusing. And I don't help the situation at times;).
Paul |
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