DRT Frangible Ammo
03-21-2008, 08:06 PM
#101
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,688
RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
Okay; first off S1 did not make the comment about the "gut shot" I did. I do not advocate this, I was refering tofeed back from hunters that have used our ammo. They mention making a "gut shot" to avoid meat loss from use of our ammo.
To address the bone issue. The round requires hydraulic pressure ie "body fluid" to open and disperse in the wound cavity. Until body fluids are introduced via the hollow point in the round the round keeps on trucking. When the round impacts an object more dense that the core of the round itself ie stone, steel, etc. it does "disentegrate" on impact leaving just some copper jacketing and very little of that.
I'm not saying it does, just that it isn't straight forward.
The powder that makes up the core is so fine (320 micron mesh) it is actually finer than a ladies face powder, there is a negligible amount that would be ingested from meat harvested with this round.
Yes, there are discrepencies in the article "Building a Better Bullet". We were not priveledged with the opportunity to review the article before publication, but by and large the article does a very good job of describing the technology behind and the results of use of this ammo. Which is why it is on our web site.
The web site has been slow in getting fully published, this happens when working with someone who has too many irons in the fire and is not charging you anything. The new website should be up in the next week or so. We are not "hiding" anything or putting a load of BS out there.
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You came here with a giant chip on your shoulder. I asked for an answer to the bone question, not some cock and bull story. Which is what you put out there. This is what your "answer" was.
I addressed the shoulder bone issue specifically on page 2 of this thread,
"If you have not shot both technologies, compared them side by side, then you should not be talking smack about something you know absolutely nothing about. The 200 grain PT 30 caliber bores a 1/2 inch diameter hole in the shoulder of an Elk, liquifies the lungs, 1/2 of the heart, and the top 1/3 of the liver. Not to mention the animal drops to the ground like a puppet with the strings cut. "
I addressed it again on page 4,
"There is no truth to the statement that these bullets are designed to 'disintegrate on impact'. Tungsten is much harder than lead, and about 25 percent denser than lead in our core's format. Even the lightest compressed cores that I have tested easily penetrate the front shoulder bone of the largest North American Big Game. I specifically look for a quartering towards me shot opportunity so I can blow bone fragments into the lung area when using this bullet technology."
"If you have not shot both technologies, compared them side by side, then you should not be talking smack about something you know absolutely nothing about. The 200 grain PT 30 caliber bores a 1/2 inch diameter hole in the shoulder of an Elk, liquifies the lungs, 1/2 of the heart, and the top 1/3 of the liver. Not to mention the animal drops to the ground like a puppet with the strings cut. "
I addressed it again on page 4,
"There is no truth to the statement that these bullets are designed to 'disintegrate on impact'. Tungsten is much harder than lead, and about 25 percent denser than lead in our core's format. Even the lightest compressed cores that I have tested easily penetrate the front shoulder bone of the largest North American Big Game. I specifically look for a quartering towards me shot opportunity so I can blow bone fragments into the lung area when using this bullet technology."
sharpone2- Thanks for trying to clear the air. I will not be trying any of your ammo though. We are a shotgun only state. I also would likely NOT do business with your company based on the actions of S1. There are too many bullet makers out there who are good people to deal with. I might have been interested in your handgun rounds, but I tend to deal with stand up individuals. And S1 is anything but that. At least he hasn't been here. And I have a feeling that we saw his true colors in this thread. But none the less, I hope nothing but the best for you and your company. It is a tough market. Good luck.
I am done with this mess of a thread.
03-21-2008, 08:56 PM
#102
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 11
RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
longrifle - I am sorry for how this has all played out. In reference to the Gelatin block issue, there is footage on our web site showing the terminal ballistics in an FBI certified gel block with one of our 7.62 rounds. We will be adding more footage as we can. We have to reformat if from VHS to DVD or whatever it takes to get it on the web. I just make bullets I don't know anything about the computer end of it.
03-22-2008, 03:24 AM
#103
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 11
RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
Sling - in reviewing this thread I saw your early post about being put on a mailing list for our product. I try to make sure I ask permission of everyone before I add them to our mailing list if I did not do this with you my mistake. Please contact me off list and I will remove you from our distribution list. Anyone else here that has previously contacted me for information and been added to our list may contact me as well for removal.
03-22-2008, 07:10 AM
#104
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Body in SE WI, mind in U.P.
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RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
I won't be signing up for any for any kind of mailing list- your business doesn't pass the smell test, and besides, I don't want to accidentally end up on S1s homo-child-raping-porn mailing list.
03-22-2008, 07:23 AM
#105
Join Date: Mar 2008
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RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
briman - I wasn't asking if anyone wanted to be added to our mailing list. As I stated "Anyone who has previously contacted me for information and was added to our list and wishes to be removed may contact me to do so." I have tried to be civil in my posts to this forum and replys like yours are in my opinion totally uncalled for. I have said nothing to warrant any finger pointing or name calling, however indirect by someone such as yourself.
03-22-2008, 11:20 AM
#107
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
I have tried to be civil in my posts to this forum and replys like yours are in my opinion totally uncalled for
03-22-2008, 11:36 AM
#108
Join Date: Jul 2007
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RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
ORIGINAL: S1
The foolish rantings of 6 internet punks does not trump the lifetime of ballistics work of true professionals like Marty Fackler, Harold Beal, Bob McCoy, and Mark Caracci.
IT NEVER WILL.
The foolish rantings of 6 internet punks does not trump the lifetime of ballistics work of true professionals like Marty Fackler, Harold Beal, Bob McCoy, and Mark Caracci.
IT NEVER WILL.
03-22-2008, 12:40 PM
#109
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 26
RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
nothinspecial - Thats exactly right. The God I worship, you don't know. Buy a Mathews bow fool, get a clue.
Biman QUOTE - "probably because he's the same messed up person as you posting from a second account."
I wonder what this liar will concoct next, when a moderator tells the truth that our IP's are different and we are in different parts of the country?
Sharpone2 has done nothing but tell you the truth and be civil. Several guys wanted to have a civil discussion, and you kept up the lewd and sick behavior, just to distract from the quality of this thread. Why don't you go back to hanging out with your fat boyfriend and leave your mommy's computer alone. You add nothing intelligent or useful, and are the strongest case for abortion I have seen yet.
Sharpone does not have to apologize for me. I don't represent his company or care what bullets you buy, you are an idiot that should not have access to loaded ammunition. I don't apologize for telling the truth and never will. There are television shows broadcasted all over the country showing African game being taken with one shot from this bullet technology, and you and your buds are trying to BS everyone and say the bullets will splash on the shoulder of a deer half the size of the African game taken on TV.
STAY IN THE DARK AS LONG AS YOU LIKE. KILLS DOCUMENTED ON VIDEO, AND THOUSANDS OF BIG GAME ANIMALS KILLED, JUST PROVE YOU TO BE THE IDIOT THAT YOU ARE. THIS STUFF WORKS, AND WORKS BETTER THAN LEAD.
Biman QUOTE - "probably because he's the same messed up person as you posting from a second account."
I wonder what this liar will concoct next, when a moderator tells the truth that our IP's are different and we are in different parts of the country?
Sharpone2 has done nothing but tell you the truth and be civil. Several guys wanted to have a civil discussion, and you kept up the lewd and sick behavior, just to distract from the quality of this thread. Why don't you go back to hanging out with your fat boyfriend and leave your mommy's computer alone. You add nothing intelligent or useful, and are the strongest case for abortion I have seen yet.
Sharpone does not have to apologize for me. I don't represent his company or care what bullets you buy, you are an idiot that should not have access to loaded ammunition. I don't apologize for telling the truth and never will. There are television shows broadcasted all over the country showing African game being taken with one shot from this bullet technology, and you and your buds are trying to BS everyone and say the bullets will splash on the shoulder of a deer half the size of the African game taken on TV.
STAY IN THE DARK AS LONG AS YOU LIKE. KILLS DOCUMENTED ON VIDEO, AND THOUSANDS OF BIG GAME ANIMALS KILLED, JUST PROVE YOU TO BE THE IDIOT THAT YOU ARE. THIS STUFF WORKS, AND WORKS BETTER THAN LEAD.
03-22-2008, 12:49 PM
#110
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1
RE: DRT Frangible Ammo
Just thought I would jump in to this discussion with a statement, since I am part of the management at DRT. We are currently making what we think is a superior product on the market today. If you have any questions about the ammo or its capabilities, please contact us through our website or directly. We are not represented on this site and do not agree with the manner in which this discussion has been presented. Please do not take the opinions expressed in this discussion as something that is coming fromour company or its representatives.