homeprotection
12-06-2007, 10:35 AM
#31
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 71
RE: home protection
ORIGINAL: Rebel Hog
If you live alone there's no problem using Revolvers and Slugs, but if you have family in every roomof the house, you take the chance of one of them Projectiles penetrating Walls and killing one of your family members. Maybe that's your uncommon Logic[8D] of who or what you Kill, but most of the members on this board do have more common sense.
Are you 15 yet?????[:@]
ORIGINAL: skin290
You DO NOT want to just plan to "dissuade" your attacker/invader...you cannot reliably think they will react the same way you think you would under the same circumstances.
I would also like to add that I think any reliable double action revolver in 38 SPL +P and larger would be a good HD weapon as well.
You DO NOT want to just plan to "dissuade" your attacker/invader...you cannot reliably think they will react the same way you think you would under the same circumstances.
I would also like to add that I think any reliable double action revolver in 38 SPL +P and larger would be a good HD weapon as well.
Are you 15 yet?????[:@]
I weigh have a reliable option to eliminate the threat over the "chance" that the round will penetrate a wall and then fatally kill a member of my family. Worst case scenario, if you don't eliminate the threat, you may have just as well killed your family, because the intruder will do it for you.
If he has a gun, and you shoot him with birdshot, hurting him some, but not incapacitating him, and he gets off a round to kill YOU, what do you think the criminal will do to your family? Some of you are so damn scared of your guns, I hope you keep all of them locked up and unloaded all the time, and only get them out of the safe to put them in a case for the ride to the range...
12-06-2007, 10:46 AM
#32
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 71
RE: homeprotection
ORIGINAL: 1SHOT_1KILL
Most home confrontation shootings are in the range 14-21 FEET people, I'll say it again 14-21 FEET!!!!!!! Just how much damn firepower do you really thinnk you need at that range?????? Even a 12ga 2-3/4" # 6 dove load is going torender instantincapacitation and death with a torso hit, at that range. It will do so, without endagering your children and neighbors. So to say that bird shot and turkey loads are not a viable home defense load is BS.
Most home confrontation shootings are in the range 14-21 FEET people, I'll say it again 14-21 FEET!!!!!!! Just how much damn firepower do you really thinnk you need at that range?????? Even a 12ga 2-3/4" # 6 dove load is going torender instantincapacitation and death with a torso hit, at that range. It will do so, without endagering your children and neighbors. So to say that bird shot and turkey loads are not a viable home defense load is BS.
I would also like to state that the racking of the slide on a pump shotgun in itself can be a deterent. In the span of 14-21 FEET, only someone with a death wish will go up against a shotgun while armed with a handgun, unless they were professionally and expertly trained in CQC handgunning. Your average crackhead criminal will not be.
12-06-2007, 10:50 AM
#33
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
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Posts: 6,471
RE: homeprotection
You are now assuming a crackhead or guy hopped up on meth thinks rationally, are you serious here? Within 21 feet is considered "danger close" for someone, even with a knife to be able to get to you before you get a shot off...you will not be able to dictate the terms of this engagement
12-06-2007, 10:51 AM
#34
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 71
RE: home protection
ORIGINAL: speyrjb
The the ranges you are dealing with inside your home, a turkey load would jerk the spine out of the intruder and deposit it on the nearest wall!
I use an old mosberg 12g with 18" barrell and super full choke with turkey loads myself. If you say that won't penetrate or incapacitate then I say you are smoking something.
I shot a hog with a turkey load at about 30 feet one time in the head and it blew his head open! If it will do that to a hog then it definately will to a soft human!
The the ranges you are dealing with inside your home, a turkey load would jerk the spine out of the intruder and deposit it on the nearest wall!
I use an old mosberg 12g with 18" barrell and super full choke with turkey loads myself. If you say that won't penetrate or incapacitate then I say you are smoking something.
I shot a hog with a turkey load at about 30 feet one time in the head and it blew his head open! If it will do that to a hog then it definately will to a soft human!
12-06-2007, 10:54 AM
#35
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 71
RE: homeprotection
ORIGINAL: oldelkhunter
Where I live NC I am applying for my CCW and they better be real close to be a threat or the prosecutor will think otherwise. I mean you have to be in imminent danger.
You are now assuming a crackhead or guy hopped up on meth thinks rationally, are you serious here? Within 21 feet is considered "danger close" for someone, even with a knife to be able to get to you before you get a shot off...you will not be able to dictate the terms of this engagement
Good to see you are getting a CCW, I will probably never be able to do such in the communist state of IL...
12-06-2007, 10:55 AM
#36
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: DFW
Posts: 1,195
RE: homeprotection
ORIGINAL: okgobbler
I consider my handguns as what I would use to defend myself on my way to my long guns.
I consider my handguns as what I would use to defend myself on my way to my long guns.
Be quick, decisive and most importantly: Shoot to kill.
12-06-2007, 10:56 AM
#37
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 3,145
RE: home protection
You could go with an 18" pump loaded with turkey shot, plenty of damage on close quarters without excessive risk of hurting someone in another room. It's what I leave my wife loaded with when I'm away. The first two shells I put in are 00 buck, then the turkey loads. That way, if she's in enough trouble to shoot more than 4 times, the last two can definitely close the deal.
When I'm home, I use a Glock 26 loaded with golden sabers. It's on my belt during waking hours and in a level 4 holster mounted to the back of my nightstand at night. I like the handiness of the pistol, but the shotgun is more effective.
When I'm home, I use a Glock 26 loaded with golden sabers. It's on my belt during waking hours and in a level 4 holster mounted to the back of my nightstand at night. I like the handiness of the pistol, but the shotgun is more effective.
12-06-2007, 11:01 AM
#38
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: DFW
Posts: 1,195
RE: homeprotection
ORIGINAL: skin290
You might want to check and see what the law supports as "imminent danger" -- I have always heard within 21 feet is considered such, but it would surely make a difference whether you did it in TX compared to IL, so it may vary in your state...
Good to see you are getting a CCW, I will probably never be able to do such in the communist state of IL...
You might want to check and see what the law supports as "imminent danger" -- I have always heard within 21 feet is considered such, but it would surely make a difference whether you did it in TX compared to IL, so it may vary in your state...
Good to see you are getting a CCW, I will probably never be able to do such in the communist state of IL...
12-06-2007, 11:03 AM
#39
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 3,145
RE: home protection
Since someone brought up the legalese of defending yourself in your own home, you could invest in an old, non-functioning pistol. Just make sure you get it at an estate sale or from an individual(pay cash), so there's no ATF records. Take it home, clean it wearing gloves, load it(wipe prints off rounds), bag it and put it away. If you "need" it later it will be available.
12-06-2007, 11:10 AM
#40
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: DFW
Posts: 1,195
RE: home protection
ORIGINAL: BigTiny
Since someone brought up the legalese of defending yourself in your own home, you could invest in an old, non-functioning pistol. Just make sure you get it at an estate sale or from an individual(pay cash), so there's no ATF records. Take it home, clean it wearing gloves, load it(wipe prints off rounds), bag it and put it away. If you "need" it later it will be available.
Since someone brought up the legalese of defending yourself in your own home, you could invest in an old, non-functioning pistol. Just make sure you get it at an estate sale or from an individual(pay cash), so there's no ATF records. Take it home, clean it wearing gloves, load it(wipe prints off rounds), bag it and put it away. If you "need" it later it will be available.
