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Does it matter?

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Yes, really it does....I think we as a whole prefer not to be considered people who'd take risks with losing an animal like that....some people can do it, most can't. It shouldn't be something the average person should consider.

And are you.......12?

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He asked who is the "better" hunter. I asked (rhetorically) if it matters....(implying that it doesn't matter)....You didn't seem to catch that. Do you really think it matters who among us is the "better" hunter? IF it really does matter, (which it doesn't)do you think that thereis an answer we could reasonably come up with and agree upon?

Am I......12? 12 what?12 Hundred pounds? 12 years old? 12 times smarter than you? 12 times better than you at hunting? Where did you get 12 from?

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Well, it seems you answered my question....

But, regardless, our opinions have been stated, and while it seems to me that yours just makes you seem ill informed and mildy ridiculous, it is indeed your opinion. So, more power to you.

I've stated mine as well, simply based on the fact that I personally believe it is unethical to put a game animal at a higher risk of a non-lethal shot simply because an individual thinks that he or she can hit it a half mile away. Just because you theoretically can, doesn't mean you should....

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Yep, its all the guys that sit 50 yards from a food plot that are saying anything over 500 yards is unethical. Whats more ethical, the guy that shoots THOUSANDS of rounds a year preparing and practicing or the guy that shoots once before season and says "good enough"?

The people that are capable of "long range" shots should do it any time they want. The people that aren't capable, but think they are since they bought a new "ultra-mag" are the ones that are giving long range hunting a bad name.

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We all need to quit bickering amongst ourselves-the antis would LOVE this! Now yall quit yer squabbling before I turn yall over my knee.

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I agree with this...to some extent. There's not much excuse for people who fire off a couple rounds before season just to check last years zero and then try to pull off a long shot....especially if it's just at 100 yards, then at 500 inthe field.

Like I said....I'm not knocking anyone's marksmanship....but anyone who does serious shooting at extended ranges should know that there are a lot of variables to take into account that can't always be accounted for in the field, as they might be on the range.

Besides, where do you live, where you can see a game animal at 700+ yards?

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Yep, I'm done ranting. ;)

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Yessir :D

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i would choose either the 7mm mag or the .300 win mag for that range shot if you want the shot to have most of the guess work taken out. The speed of the .30-06 is slower than either of them and would require more judging in you aim out to that range. the 7mm and the .300 are very flat shooting and you dont have to worry about haveing to adjust as much for those long range shot and they both have more energy at those ranges than the .30-06. For use with all of these choices with 150 grain bullets, the .300 and the 7mm are both over 3100 fps at muzzle and the .30-06 isjust above 2900fps. I own a 7mm and would be comfortable taking a long range shot with it at a deer.

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Exactly what I am saying. Well said.

I have never seen any description of hunting that included intentionally backing off to the maximum range possible just to see if you could still make the shot. In fact intentionally moving away from the animal is the exact opposite of hunting it. You ask who the better hunter is? Stalking to within 50 yards of an animal is a nice feat of hunting. Lobbing lead at it from 700 yards can only be refered to as a good shot. If you make it.

I have absolutely no doubt that RR knows a lot about long range shooting and is better equiped and practiced at it than me. But I am far from a novice.You reach a point where the distance is so great under field conditionsthat the variables become hard to detect and therefore near impossible to properly compensate for on your first shot. Shooting at targets on a flat range lined with wind socks is one thing. Shooting at a live potentially moving animal on uneven terrain with variable swirling winds that you have no definative means to gauge over the course of the 700 plus yard shot is another. If RR can truely land a bullet squarely in the vitals at over 700 yards, first shot, every time, under such hard to percieve, and variable conditions then he is wasting his vaulable time shooting does and debating us goobers on the internet. He needs to be competing on our nations Palma team.

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"Food Plot"? Talked to a game warden buddy a couple of weeks ago about that. He confirmed to me that's considered "baiting" in Wyoming, and unless you're legally blind or in a wheelchair, it's "prohibited". Says you can "feed the deer" all you want, but you'd better not ever hunt over it.

Not a matter of "ethics" here, it's simply illegal - as opposed to taking a shot at 800 yards, which is not illegal.

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While I disagree, at least this argument makes sense. This is probably what you meant to say the first time, but instead you (likely mistakenly) argued that ANY activity that COULD result in a wounded animal is UNETHICAL. Surely you are sharp enough to see the error in that logic. Thanks for clearing up your previous post....the argument quoted here makes much more sense, and is likely what you meant to say all along.

Your first argument would even indicate that driving your car is unethical because it COULD result in a wounded deer.

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I agree 100%. But I don't think that it matters who is the "better" hunter. Aperson who sets up a stand 50 yards from a food plot and a long range hunter can be equally effective at their chosen methods. I am a supporter of LRH, but I think the "better" hunter argument is childish and irrelevant.

If everyone worried about themselves as much as they worry about what the other guy is doing, I think we would all be better off.

Really, does it matter who is a "better" hunter? Is it even possible to determinea universalanswer to that? It sounds like the "my dad is stronger than your dad" arguments on the playground all us 12 year olds meet at.

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So you're admitting that you disagree with what makes sense?

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All very interesting in deed..Long range hunting..It is all find and dandy if you know what your doing,but there is a lot that can happen between here and there..I shot 1000 yard comp. for a long time..My 30-338 with a 190 grain bullet and muzzle velocity of 2950 fps..A ONE thats right 1 mile an hour wind will blow it off 6 inchs at 1000 yards..So if you don't have the wind flags to read you have no idea what is going on out there unless you can read the mirage...

The only thing I have against this is ,if you wound an animal it is hard to tell where he was in the first place...I know alot of guys around here who can put a bullet where they want it at 600 or better,but they don't hunt that way..My 6.5x284 can hit a man with almost every shot at 1000 to 1200 yards.....IF Conditions are right....With enough practice and enough money to play with we all could do it.....

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Ooops, you're right. That was an agreeable statement, and I DO actually agree. If you know you can make the shot then it's ok to take it. If you don't have the skills and equipment and practice needed, then you probably shouldn't.

My mistake for saying I disagree.