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I am looking for a rifle, i want either a 7mm or a 30-06 with a clip. what should i get.

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The caliber you choose will be of little consequence but the detachable magazine idea is a great one. If u spend any amount of time getting in or out of a truck durring a hunt. I bought a 7mm-08 savage with a detachable magazine for coyote hunting near mountains I wanted to load some 110gr.bullets for the coyotes and have them in one magazine, and have a backup mag. loadedw/some 140 gr or larger for larger animals i didn't intend to call in.

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Man, it really depends on what you want to hunt. 30.06 will give you a very wide variety of ammo to choose from and pretty much every manufacturer of firearms chambers for that caliber. It is kind of like the Chevy of gun calibers, you really cannot go wrong with it. 7mm on the other hand is kind of like a hyper velocity round that IMHO people carry to feel manly or something because they can handle the recoil. If it where me, I think that I would choose the .06 over the 7mm, there isnt anything in North America that the .06 cant handle with a well placed shot.

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Recoil is much less in a 708 vs. 3006 not sure what TUK is talking about but the manly statement is false. The 3006 will give you more versatility, but depending on your quarry (less than elk), the 708 would be just fine.

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You need to give us a little more info before we can give you a meaningful recommendation.

What are you primarily planning to use it for? Deer hunting? Elk? Varmints/predators? Target shooting?

If for hunting, what type of terrain are you going to be mainly hunting in? Open plains/fields? Sparse or dense forest? Hills or mountains?

How long have you been shooting in general? How long have you been shooting high-powered centerfire rifles?

How do you tolerate recoil? And be honest with us and yourself. The biggest mistake most shooters/hunters make is letting their ego override their good sense. They go out and buy the biggest, baddest fastest magnum(b) in an ultra-lite rifle that's all the rage in the gun rags when a .308 Winchester is the most they can tolerate and shoot well (and probably all the power they really need). Then they get ticked off and complain when the "rifle" doesn't shoot, when the real cause is their massive (but usually undetected and/or denied) flinch. I can't understate how important this is.

To give you an indication of what I mean by honest self-evaluation, I am a 32 year old former Marine that is 6'4" and apx. 275lbs (yeah, gotta shed a few, I know) that has been shooting since I was 6 years old. I have shot a wide variety of cartridges from .22 Short to .50BMG out of shoulder fired rifles, and found that the most I can tolerate and shoot well is the .30-06 Springfield.

What action do you prefer? Bolt? Semi-auto? Pump? Single-shot? Lever?

How much do you plan to spend?

Give us this info and I can give you a recommendation.

Mike

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He wasnt talking about 708, but rather he said 7mm which I figured meant magnum. Unless maybe I missed something.

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i am willing to spend about $1000. i am hunting bush and open areas. im wanting a accurate semi-auto or a bolt. clip is a must since i will be in and out of a truck all day. recoil is about the 300 win mag but thats the biggest ive shot.

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tuk is rite i am talking about the 7mm mag

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Given that you're open to a semi-auto, I'd suggest a Browning BAR in .30-06, or you might even consider a .270. The BAR's are a bit on the heavy side, but they are a great rifle. They are a touch on the spendy side, but you should be able to find one well under the $1000 budget (as long as you have additional money for the scope, you didn't say).

Mike

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Tuk, my apologies, I have been looking at a 708 vs. a 06 (shooting reduced recoil) for my step son and have 708 on the brain. 7mm definitely kicks harder than an 06. Having borrowed a 7mm for a hunt, shot it a couple of times and gave it right back. It was a Winny featherlight w/ Nikon scope. My friend has two BAR's and swears by them( 06, 300WM). I have a Sako w/ a clip. If I was mostly hunting elk, I would choose the mag. Mostly hunting deer the 06. The 06 will give you a few more factory bullet offerings. As far as the brand of rifle, choose the one that fits you best.

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I think a 7mm Rem Mag has about the same amount of recoil as a 30-06 given all other factors are the same (same weight rifle, similar stock design, shooting 160-165g bullets, etc.) so that should not affect your decision. Also, they are pretty close (.284" vs. .308") so I doubt any animal will notice much difference when hit with either round. The 7 will probably shoot a tad flatter but unless you're shooting past 300 that will matter very little too. So either caliber is a good choice in my opinion.

Savage makes a bolt with a removable mag. So does Remington, Browning (not quite as good as the mag attaches to the floor plate), Tikka and Sako. If I had my choice I'd buy a Sako, followed by a Tikka, then probably the Remington, Browning, or Savage. Probably a few others that have detachable mags but that was a key feature I insisted upon when I bought my Tikka. Some day I'll upgrade to the Sako 85 but I just can't justify the extra $600 when my Tikka shoots MOA out of the box so I'll keep it for a while I guess.

Good luck and let us know what you end up getting.

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I would suggest the 7mm, not much more recoil, and flatter shooting, however if you can tolerate the .300 win mag that would be my suggestion

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I had a Ruger 7mm mag, it kicked harder than the 30-06, it's accuracy was only so so in that nylon stock, went to a custom laminated wood stock, little improvement, but it did cut some of the recoil. Got rid of it, and got a Browning 338 mag, recoil up there pretty good, but accuracy was great with hand loads. Had surgery on my shoulder, and decided to go to a Browning win. 280. I haven't looked back, it drops elk with my first shot using Nosler 140 gr. partition, lot less recoil than the 7mm mag, with only slightly reduced ballistics, and still great accuracy. The most important thing to keep in mind, is your comfort with the caliber you decide on. I still love the 338, and and before my shoulder surgery, recoil never bothered me at the range, and you never feel the recoil when shooting at game in the field. Shot placement and confidence in yourself and your rifle are the most important factors for hunting.

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If you want something with a "clip", you're pretty much stuck with an M1 Garand. ;)

If you want a semi-auto, take a look at the new Remington. Remington has been making pretty decent magazine fed semi-autos for decades, Model 740, 742, 7400, and the most recent iteration, the Model 750.

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Here's some info on recoil to help you decide if that is that much of a factor.

http://www.accuratereloading.com/recoil.html

http://sst.benchrest.com/recoil.html

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i say getting a 30-06 is a good choice.. its accurate long range and its reliable..