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RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
It better flatten that bear like a doormat, cause I really don't want to be eating my shoe for the confidence that I have in it.[:'(][:'(][:o]Because we all know that it can never be the hunters fault with bear/deer/elk/caribou fever and a misplaced shot.:eek::eek::D:D
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RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
ORIGINAL: ShatoDavis Its the age old lighter/faster vs. heavier/slower debate. I myself opt for the heavier/slower side myself. That being said I would say that the 300 ultra would certainly do the job. Everybody is getting their panties bunched on this thing, assuming that the guide was ordering the customer to buy a new rifle. I seriously doubt thats how it was said. I would say that he simply stated his preference. As said before, people go brown bear hunting every year with a bow. I would say that you take a rifle that you are comfortable with. If you are comfortable taking the 338 great your guide will be happy. If not, then take the ultra as I'm quite certain that it will do the job. Your guide will cope I'm quite certain. |
RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
Yeah Kodiak,
and the poor guide gets absolutely no assurances whether or not the chuckle head that's showing up knows how to handle that 308 well or not. As a matter of fact more time than not the client doesn't know how to shoot. In that case I wouldn't recommend he bring a 308. I would prefer he bring a damn howitzer. but, I'm not a guide. |
RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
Shato,
get certified as a guid and I will hunt with you. You will get the best of both worlds. I will bring a howitzer (.338 Lapua) and I really do know how to use it.[8D]:D:D |
RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
Just my opinion, but if a chucklehead shows up and doesn't know how to handle a .308, there's no way in he!! he's going to know how to handle a .338 WM and that little bit of extra weight/power isn't enough to make up for it. A gutshot bear with a .338WM is going to be just as mad as a gutshot bear with a .308. If somebody doesn't know how to handle his rifle, he shouldn't be hunting something that can eat him. I think it's a little silly to suggest that you can make up for lack of skill by simply stirring a big magnum into the pot.
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RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
ORIGINAL: ShatoDavis Yeah Kodiak, and the poor guide gets absolutely no assurances whether or not the chuckle head that's showing up knows how to handle that 308 well or not. As a matter of fact more time than not the client doesn't know how to shoot. In that case I wouldn't recommend he bring a 308. I would prefer he bring a damn howitzer. but, I'm not a guide. |
RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
ORIGINAL: robbcayman ORIGINAL: ShatoDavis Yeah Kodiak, and the poor guide gets absolutely no assurances whether or not the chuckle head that's showing up knows how to handle that 308 well or not. As a matter of fact more time than not the client doesn't know how to shoot. In that case I wouldn't recommend he bring a 308. I would prefer he bring a damn howitzer. but, I'm not a guide. That's why good outfitters require hunters to shoot at their range when they get into camp; so the guide knows that the client is competent. |
RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
cz2506. You are right on, there were some 375's around but not many and the 338 was not even a thought yet. My only point is that hunters used what they had and you are correct to assume the surplus ammo and rifles made the 30-40 popular. However it was a potent performer with the heavy bullets it used.
I have read that when hunters hunted big bears with the old flintlocks that they had about a 50/50 chance against a Grizzly. Of course I wasm't there to confirm those odds:D. |
RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
Just remember when you go that you don't need to be able to outrun the bear, just the slowest person in your party:D;).
I love that joke. Paul |
RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher ORIGINAL: robbcayman ORIGINAL: ShatoDavis Yeah Kodiak, and the poor guide gets absolutely no assurances whether or not the chuckle head that's showing up knows how to handle that 308 well or not. As a matter of fact more time than not the client doesn't know how to shoot. In that case I wouldn't recommend he bring a 308. I would prefer he bring a damn howitzer. but, I'm not a guide. That's why good outfitters require hunters to shoot at their range when they get into camp; so the guide knows that the client is competent. |
RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
Yep, I'm pretty much a spot and stalk stick thrower. (Guess that falls short of the .338 wm minimum by a bit. ;))
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RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
Kodiak, I am impressed and that is a large bear. I have no doubt a bow could kill a large animal, but how long does it take for him to fall down?? I would personally worry that if he caught wind of me he would bring me down, and the hunter would become the hunted. After you shoot what precautions do you take to avoid from being detected?
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RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher No, actually there's a lot of misdirection and naivete in that statement, if he can't handle a .308, he can't handle the howitzer and no amount of bigger makes up for better. ipscshooter got it right on. That's why good outfitters require hunters to shoot at their range when they get into camp; so the guide knows that the client is competent. (the rest was deleted because I wrote it at 5:00 of a bad day, and thought it best to remove before I'm thought of badly.) peace |
RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
While guiding hunters a few years back a guy showed up with a new 340 Weatherby which he claimes that he had shot often and well. Trouble is, he didn't even have the right shells and the scope was only bore sighted at the local gun shop. I had part of a box of shells (He had brought 300 Weatherby shells),He missed several shots the first day and on the second day his son killed his deer for him with his 270. Thank God it was not a big bear. After that, no hunter left camp without test firing his rifle at my range.
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RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
He walked about 50 yards and fell over dead after taking one arrow through the heart at 18 yards. He looked right at me when I drew on him so he knew I was there but just didn't know what I was or didn't care. But I still stayed put until I knew he was down and then went back to camp to get the rifle before tracking him. Like I said before, no amount of "bigger" makes up for "better". Even a bow will effectively kill a bear but it has to be in the hands of someone that appreciates its limitations and is willing to live within them.
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RE: 300 Ultra Mag for Brown Bear
I bet a bow with a Muzzy 4 blade makes a bigger hole thru a bear than a 300 Ultra Mag :D:D
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