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Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
Here's my question, I'm looking at picking up either of the two Remington rifles, however I'venoticed that while they share several similarities (20" heavy barrel, blue/syn stock, 308) they are also very different, begining with the $300 price difference. According to the data that i've read (provided by BrutalAttak..spelling?) The SPS is $500 and come with a Hogue stock while the 700P LTR comes with a HS stock and runs in the $850 range. I'm sure that I also left out a few other things however I wanted to know if anyone has had any experience with either or both of these rifles? (at a 0.5 MOA on either rifle, I've gotta pick one up).
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
Is the SPS fluted? The LTR is fluted. The HS stock has an aluminum bedding block and is a better overall stock. I would just check both out in person and see which one you like better. I think either one would make a fine rifle. imo
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
nice avatar:eek:[:'(]
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
JEEPKID.
Having a pic of planes flying into the twins towers in your profile i think is a bit harsh.? |
RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
Yeah, I'm not really diggin' the 9/11 attack pic either. Do you mean you support the actions of the terrorists that day, or is it supposed to be a reminder/tribute to the ppl who died? If it's the latter I would suggest one of the "Remember 9/11" flag pics. ::shrug::
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
Just read his profile...hes an aspiring pilot...:eek:[:@]
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
Interesting choice for a pic, sheesh.
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To all you guys not giving Garminator any advice, it is so that all of you won't forget what happend that day. It is for all of us that support Bush and the War that is going on. And I've had that pic for a while now and nobody has said anything until now.
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I think it's a good reminder jeepkid. Why don't you add a signature saying something about how you feel about that day. I think they should show it on tv every single day to remind us that those chickenchit bastards are still out to get us!!!!We cannot afford to forget!!!!!!
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
ORIGINAL: Colorado Luckydog I think it's a good reminder jeepkid. Why don't you add a signature saying something about how you feel about that day. I think they should show it on tv every single day to remind us that those chickenchit bastards are still out to get us!!!!We cannot afford to forget!!!!!! |
RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
ORIGINAL: jeepkid ORIGINAL: Colorado Luckydog I think it's a good reminder jeepkid. Why don't you add a signature saying something about how you feel about that day. I think they should show it on tv every single day to remind us that those chickenchit bastards are still out to get us!!!!We cannot afford to forget!!!!!! |
RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
I have the 700PSS in .223 and it is a great gun. But if you want a .308 with a 20" barrel both would be a good choice. You also might want to checkout the FN USA rifles. I think they look pretty good.;)
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
ORIGINAL: Garminator Here's my question, I'm looking at picking up either of the two Remington rifles, however I'venoticed that while they share several similarities (20" heavy barrel, blue/syn stock, 308) they are also very different, begining with the $300 price difference. According to the data that i've read (provided by BrutalAttak..spelling?) The SPS is $500 and come with a Hogue stock while the 700P LTR comes with a HS stock and runs in the $850 range. I'm sure that I also left out a few other things however I wanted to know if anyone has had any experience with either or both of these rifles? (at a 0.5 MOA on either rifle, I've gotta pick one up). 1. stocks: LTR uses HS Precision stock. SPS Tact uses Hogue overmolded. Hogue is generally considered a cheaper stock, but it's been popular with hunters. Precision shooters are less than thrilled with it as it's soft and can move and make contact with the barrel. 2. Barrels: Both are 20" heavy however LTR is fluted. 3. Bedding: LTR uses full length aluminum bedding block. SPS uses dual pillar (I think). Obviously the full length bedding would be more rigid. 4. Minor point: SPS doesn't have extra sling swivel for bipod, LTR does. 5. Price. Other than that they are pretty much identical, and from what I've seen so far, both are capable of sub 0.5 MOA. |
RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
ORIGINAL: BrutalAttack ORIGINAL: Garminator Here's my question, I'm looking at picking up either of the two Remington rifles, however I'venoticed that while they share several similarities (20" heavy barrel, blue/syn stock, 308) they are also very different, begining with the $300 price difference. According to the data that i've read (provided by BrutalAttak..spelling?) The SPS is $500 and come with a Hogue stock while the 700P LTR comes with a HS stock and runs in the $850 range. I'm sure that I also left out a few other things however I wanted to know if anyone has had any experience with either or both of these rifles? (at a 0.5 MOA on either rifle, I've gotta pick one up). 1. stocks: LTR uses HS Precision stock. SPS Tact uses Hogue overmolded. Hogue is generally considered a cheaper stock, but it's been popular with hunters. Precision shooters are less than thrilled with it as it's soft and can move and make contact with the barrel. 2. Barrels: Both are 20" heavy however LTR is fluted. 3. Bedding: LTR uses full length aluminum bedding block. SPS uses dual pillar (I think). Obviously the full length bedding would be more rigid. 4. Minor point: SPS doesn't have extra sling swivel for bipod, LTR does. 5. Price. Other than that they are pretty much identical, and from what I've seen so far, both are capable of sub 0.5 MOA.  |
RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
makes me wonder why they dont put the Hogue OM with the full length aluminum bedding block in it instead of the pillar bedded stock. That would be better than the HS precision stock in my opinion. The Hogue with the pillar bedding still has a polycarbonate skeleton that is VERY stiff from what i have read and there shouldnt be any contact with the barrel at anytime seeing how they are all free floating barrels with plenty of room. I mean dang, an aluminum full length bedding block has to be more stable than a fiber glass stock, and you can get them for 200+ bux. Sounds like a bunch of moaning and groaning from people who dont want to admit they spentway too much on a custom gun stock only to have it shoot the same as a "rubber" coated polycarbonate stock with a full length aluminum bedding block :) (opinion of course, not looking for a debate or argument, I would loose horribly) ORIGINAL: BrutalAttack ORIGINAL: Garminator Here's my question, I'm looking at picking up either of the two Remington rifles, however I'venoticed that while they share several similarities (20" heavy barrel, blue/syn stock, 308) they are also very different, begining with the $300 price difference. According to the data that i've read (provided by BrutalAttak..spelling?) The SPS is $500 and come with a Hogue stock while the 700P LTR comes with a HS stock and runs in the $850 range. I'm sure that I also left out a few other things however I wanted to know if anyone has had any experience with either or both of these rifles? (at a 0.5 MOA on either rifle, I've gotta pick one up). 1. stocks: LTR uses HS Precision stock. SPS Tact uses Hogue overmolded. Hogue is generally considered a cheaper stock, but it's been popular with hunters. Precision shooters are less than thrilled with it as it's soft and can move and make contact with the barrel. 2. Barrels: Both are 20" heavy however LTR is fluted. 3. Bedding: LTR uses full length aluminum bedding block. SPS uses dual pillar (I think). Obviously the full length bedding would be more rigid. 4. Minor point: SPS doesn't have extra sling swivel for bipod, LTR does. 5. Price. Other than that they are pretty much identical, and from what I've seen so far, both are capable of sub 0.5 MOA. |
RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
ORIGINAL: Gangly makes me wonder why they dont put the Hogue OM with the full length aluminum bedding block in it instead of the pillar bedded stock. That would be better than the HS precision stock in my opinion. The Hogue with the pillar bedding still has a polycarbonate skeleton that is VERY stiff from what i have read and there shouldnt be any contact with the barrel at anytime seeing how they are all free floating barrels with plenty of room. I mean dang, an aluminum full length bedding block has to be more stable than a fiber glass stock, and you can get them for 200+ bux. Sounds like a bunch of moaning and groaning from people who dont want to admit they spentway too much on a custom gun stock only to have it shoot the same as a "rubber" coated polycarbonate stock with a full length aluminum bedding block :) You're right, the Hogue does have a stiff skeleton, however, some reviewers of that rifle have reported that they stock does in fact flex and touch the barrel in some instances. Which is a major no-no for any precision rifle. As far as cost, you and I couldn't build an LTR for the price we could buy one. So in this case, there is more than one reason HS Precision > Hogue. I guess Idon't get what you'resaying about spending way too much on a custom stock when a Hogue can do the same thing. In this case, it's obvious it's not the stock that's making these guns superbly accurate. If that were the case we'd be seeing alot more custom and semi-custom rigs using Hogue. |
RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
Hey, Brutal, where the heck have you been? I haven't seen you on these forumsin awhile.
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
The HS stocks on the LTR and PSS have a full length aluminum bedding block. I guess I don't really see your point either...
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
The hs precisoin stock on the LTR is far better than the Hogue pillar bedded one on the SPS tactical. It would be silly to suggest or state otherwise. What I was wondering is why didnt remington just put the Hogue full length bedding block stock on there insteadof the pillar bedding. And while i was in that thought,I somewhat "chased a rabbit" and made a comment about an article i read recently. The article was basically a comparison between different manufacturers of aftermarket stocks and how all of the ones with full length bedding block's produceddarn nearidentical accuracy numbers. That made me think about howsome individualspercieve Hogue stocks to be less accurate than other big name stocks, but if both have a full length bedding block made of aluminum, and are free floated, then neither one is going to outshine the other one in accuracy. It doesnt matter if the rest of the stock is fiberglass, polycarbonate, rubber, laminate, whatever, if the gun stocks share machined full length bedding blocks(the only point of attachment), thenboth stocks are on an equal playing field and neither one will outshine the other and thats just my OPINION, not fact.I understand fiberglass stocks are great and all, andI prefer the way they feel in my hands, but the only thing that matters as far as accuracy goes with a stock is the manner in which it is bolted to the stock(bedding) and the type of material it is bolted to. Anything else is personal preference and doesnt affect the rifles inherent accuracy. If this is not the case, please somebody tell me because I am here to learn. You can never know enough of anything and facts are of upmost imporance when learning. So if anybody has any facts to prove or disprove a theory, please let us know. I am definately willing to change my mind or opinion on this subject matter if there is reliable evidence to prove something.
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
Okay, now I know what you were thinking. Yes, that is an interesting question. Most likely the Hogue with a full length bedding blockshould be just as good as the HS, and most likely half the price.
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
Brutal, how's the recoil on that LTR? I'm curious ref the 20" barrel.
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
Was searching for info on this rigle here and found ths thread. From everything that I can tell and have read, I think I am going to go with the sps tactical over any of the higher end rifles. The review they did on snipercentral showed sub .5 MOA on the rifle, and that was with the stock flexing. That is great in my book, and if I get really picky about it, I can always upgrade the stock and still be cheaper than some of the other rifles. As far as the barrel fluting, it would be nice, but not necesary for me. I know it would make it a little more light weight and it would help with cooling the barrel, but I do not think that either of this things would be a huge issue. I jut like how it looks like an m40.
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
I have no experiance with the SPS, however, I have shot the LTR. It is a really nice performing little gun, that can have a multitude of uses. It makes for a great tactical patrol type rifle, and I have seen it shot out to 800+ meters with some Swat Sniper Instructors I know. It is a little "whippy" to shoot, because of the short barrel, and the lighter weight. It will drive tacks on the range. No doubt, there are some differences in the Rifles, for the Price, besides ust the stock, and bedding. I would just do a litle more research before just deciding on the less expensive model, just to save money. You might end up spending the difference down the road to bring it up to what you are really after.
I also agree with somebody who reccomended the FN Rifles. They have .308 called thePBR.Patrol Bolt RifleI believe. It is their version of the LTR. Anyhow, I got to shoot one right after it came out on 2 seperate occasions. Once through a gun shop that a friend owns, and again out with the Sheriffs Dept Swat team when they got one in for testing. Great shooting rifle. Great trigger. Really worth looking into if you are considering the LTR. |
RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
ORIGINAL: Gangly The hs precisoin stock on the LTR is far better than the Hogue pillar bedded one on the SPS tactical. It would be silly to suggest or state otherwise. What I was wondering is why didnt remington just put the Hogue full length bedding block stock on there insteadof the pillar bedding. And while i was in that thought,I somewhat "chased a rabbit" and made a comment about an article i read recently. The article was basically a comparison between different manufacturers of aftermarket stocks and how all of the ones with full length bedding block's produceddarn nearidentical accuracy numbers. That made me think about howsome individualspercieve Hogue stocks to be less accurate than other big name stocks, but if both have a full length bedding block made of aluminum, and are free floated, then neither one is going to outshine the other one in accuracy. It doesnt matter if the rest of the stock is fiberglass, polycarbonate, rubber, laminate, whatever, if the gun stocks share machined full length bedding blocks(the only point of attachment), thenboth stocks are on an equal playing field and neither one will outshine the other and thats just my OPINION, not fact.I understand fiberglass stocks are great and all, andI prefer the way they feel in my hands, but the only thing that matters as far as accuracy goes with a stock is the manner in which it is bolted to the stock(bedding) and the type of material it is bolted to. Anything else is personal preference and doesnt affect the rifles inherent accuracy. If this is not the case, please somebody tell me because I am here to learn. You can never know enough of anything and facts are of upmost imporance when learning. So if anybody has any facts to prove or disprove a theory, please let us know. I am definately willing to change my mind or opinion on this subject matter if there is reliable evidence to prove something. In some respects you're paying for a name, but I'm also inclined to believe that you get what you pay for most, but not all of the time. I personally would rather pay more for a stock that didn't flex around when on a bipod, then risk spending less initally, only to replace the cheaper stock later when you're unhappy with it, thereby spending more than just initially getting the more expensive stock. Speaking of price: When I bought my LTR it cost me $850. It's my understanding now that the price has increased significantly. I've seen them anywhere between $1075 and $1875. That mayfurther influenceany decision between an LTR and a SPS Tactical. |
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ORIGINAL: Garminator Brutal, how's the recoil on that LTR? I'm curious ref the 20" barrel. |
RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
Thanks for the reply brutal.
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RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
The LTR is parkerized.The Tactical is black oxide blasted.Not sureif they are the same thing.
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