RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
 

Thanks for the advice jeepkid, and any other advice would also be appreciated. As far as the avatar, when I first saw it I thought,"What the hell is wrong with this guy", then I paused & thought about the events of that day as well as the war we're still fighting overseas and then the big picture hit me,"this guy put his picture up as a tribute to all of the lives lost that day as well as the fight against terrorism today". While a tough memory to relive, I think that his heart was in the right place. It deffinately got my attention.

RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
 

I have the 700PSS in .223 and it is a great gun. But if you want a .308 with a 20" barrel both would be a good choice. You also might want to checkout the FN USA rifles. I think they look pretty good.;)

RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
 

The main differences are

1. stocks: LTR uses HS Precision stock. SPS Tact uses Hogue overmolded.
Hogue is generally considered a cheaper stock, but it's been popular with hunters. Precision shooters are less than thrilled with it as it's soft and can move and make contact with the barrel.

2. Barrels: Both are 20" heavy however LTR is fluted.

3. Bedding: LTR uses full length aluminum bedding block. SPS uses dual pillar (I think). Obviously the full length bedding would be more rigid.

4. Minor point: SPS doesn't have extra sling swivel for bipod, LTR does.

5. Price.

Other than that they are pretty much identical, and from what I've seen so far, both are capable of sub 0.5 MOA.

RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
 

Once again, thank you for your help Brutal & it's good to see you posting again

RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
 

makes me wonder why they dont put the Hogue OM with the full length aluminum bedding block in it instead of the pillar bedded stock. That would be better than the HS precision stock in my opinion. The Hogue with the pillar bedding still has a polycarbonate skeleton that is VERY stiff from what i have read and there shouldnt be any contact with the barrel at anytime seeing how they are all free floating barrels with plenty of room. I mean dang, an aluminum full length bedding block has to be more stable than a fiber glass stock, and you can get them for 200+ bux. Sounds like a bunch of moaning and groaning from people who dont want to admit they spentway too much on a custom gun stock only to have it shoot the same as a "rubber" coated polycarbonate stock with a full length aluminum bedding block :)

(opinion of course, not looking for a debate or argument, I would loose horribly)

RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
 

HS Precision stocks (and just about anything else with their name on it) are very widely regarded as high quality. While Hogue is good, they are primarily a brand for the average hunter/shooter, and while popular in that market, I don't really think they are mentioned in the same breath as HS in terms of building a true precision rifle. I could be wrong.

You're right, the Hogue does have a stiff skeleton, however, some reviewers of that rifle have reported that they stock does in fact flex and touch the barrel in some instances. Which is a major no-no for any precision rifle.

As far as cost, you and I couldn't build an LTR for the price we could buy one. So in this case, there is more than one reason HS Precision > Hogue.
I guess Idon't get what you'resaying about spending way too much on a custom stock when a Hogue can do the same thing.

In this case, it's obvious it's not the stock that's making these guns superbly accurate. If that were the case we'd be seeing alot more custom and semi-custom rigs using Hogue.

RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
 

Hey, Brutal, where the heck have you been? I haven't seen you on these forumsin awhile.

RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
 

The HS stocks on the LTR and PSS have a full length aluminum bedding block. I guess I don't really see your point either...

RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
 

The hs precisoin stock on the LTR is far better than the Hogue pillar bedded one on the SPS tactical. It would be silly to suggest or state otherwise. What I was wondering is why didnt remington just put the Hogue full length bedding block stock on there insteadof the pillar bedding. And while i was in that thought,I somewhat "chased a rabbit" and made a comment about an article i read recently. The article was basically a comparison between different manufacturers of aftermarket stocks and how all of the ones with full length bedding block's produceddarn nearidentical accuracy numbers. That made me think about howsome individualspercieve Hogue stocks to be less accurate than other big name stocks, but if both have a full length bedding block made of aluminum, and are free floated, then neither one is going to outshine the other one in accuracy. It doesnt matter if the rest of the stock is fiberglass, polycarbonate, rubber, laminate, whatever, if the gun stocks share machined full length bedding blocks(the only point of attachment), thenboth stocks are on an equal playing field and neither one will outshine the other and thats just my OPINION, not fact.I understand fiberglass stocks are great and all, andI prefer the way they feel in my hands, but the only thing that matters as far as accuracy goes with a stock is the manner in which it is bolted to the stock(bedding) and the type of material it is bolted to. Anything else is personal preference and doesnt affect the rifles inherent accuracy. If this is not the case, please somebody tell me because I am here to learn. You can never know enough of anything and facts are of upmost imporance when learning. So if anybody has any facts to prove or disprove a theory, please let us know. I am definately willing to change my mind or opinion on this subject matter if there is reliable evidence to prove something.

RE: Remington SPS Tactical VS. 700P LTR
 

Okay, now I know what you were thinking. Yes, that is an interesting question. Most likely the Hogue with a full length bedding blockshould be just as good as the HS, and most likely half the price.