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for all you people asking about the simmons scopes
I took my Savage .270 that came with one of the 8 point scopes to the range today just for some fun and to continue my quest to have a dead-on scope. It was relatively close to being on the last time I had it out about two months ago. The first shot today didn't even hit the paper (a printed at home target on 8.5x11 paper)at 50 yards. So I bore sighted it using the Chuck Hawks method (I call it that cuz that's where I learned it) where you remove the bolt, look at something and center it in the bore by looking down the inside of the barrell, then adjust the cross hairs. I took another shot and it barely knicked the corner of paper. No big deal, I dialed in my adjustments that should've put it close to the bulls eye and took another shot, which landed about 1/4" right of the previous shot. I was puzzled but I made the necessary adjustments again and fired and this one landed about 1/2" high of the hole made 2 shots ago. Avery acceptablegroup in my opinion for what's going on lolbut it was in a totally worthless place and seemed like it wasn't going anywhere.
So the moral of the story is: Apparently those Simmons scopes won't hold 0 and won't adjust. at all. |
RE: for all you people asking about the simmons scopes
Never used the 8 point but I know guys that do. If you get a good one they hold up pretty well. The Aetec is a great scope and the fixed power Pro-Hunters were real good but I thuink they quit making those.
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RE: for all you people asking about the simmons scopes
I was unable to get a new Simmons 8 pt to hold its zero. It came as a package on my son's .243. I "upgraded" to a Tasco World Class and was able to get approx 6 months out of it before it crapped out. I am done with cheap scopes.
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RE: for all you people asking about the simmons scopes
same results here had the cheaper simmons before not all that great of luck but have an aetec on my 7mm08 and its NEVER lost its zero
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RE: for all you people asking about the simmons scopes
ORIGINAL: Wayspr I was unable to get a new Simmons 8 pt to hold its zero. It came as a package on my son's .243. I "upgraded" to a Tasco World Class and was able to get approx 6 months out of it before it crapped out. I am done with cheap scopes. I wouldn't use the term upgraded and Tasco in the same sentence......just kidding. Some of the older one are probably OK and I have one on my Remington 552 22 cal. I haven't gone the ultra high dollar route but I bought a Nikon Pro Staff for my 1187 slug gun and it's a nice scope. I'll probably get another and replace the one on my muzzleloader. |
RE: for all you people asking about the simmons scopes
ORIGINAL: sjsfire ORIGINAL: Wayspr I was unable to get a new Simmons 8 pt to hold its zero. It came as a package on my son's .243. I "upgraded" to a Tasco World Class and was able to get approx 6 months out of it before it crapped out. I am done with cheap scopes. I wouldn't use the term upgraded and Tasco in the same sentence......just kidding. Some of the older one are probably OK and I have one on my Remington 552 22 cal. I haven't gone the ultra high dollar route but I bought a Nikon Pro Staff for my 1187 slug gun and it's a nice scope. I'll probably get another and replace the one on my muzzleloader. |
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We have a 12 gauge H&R USH Deluxe with a 4X Pro-Diamond and a 20 gauge H&R USH with a 4X scope. The 12 has had atleast 1000 rounds thru it and been pushed around pretty good. The 20 had about 400 rounds thru it and mostly lives right with the 12 gauge.
The zero has never moved on either one. |
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Those scopes suck. I don't even run cheap scopes on my rimfires.
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I have an aetec on my 30-06 for 2 years now and no issues to date.....seems like a good scope for the price to me.......ya if you spend 500-600 dollars you will have a better scope but for the price IMO they are good scopes.......the aetec anyway
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sjsfire, If you notice I put "upgraded" in quotes to note that it was not an upgrade. I have never bought anything but Leopold prior to purchasing the Tasco and have since puchased a Monarch. From what I see of the Monarch so far, I see more Nikons in my future.
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RE: for all you people asking about the simmons scopes
I dumped mine for a Nikon Pro Staff 3-9x40 BDC.
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RE: for all you people asking about the simmons scopes
$ for $ the Nikon prostaff is the best bargain on scopes.
If you aren't willing to spend $150 on a scope then shoot iron sights. Simmons,BSA, &Tasco are complete waste of money. |
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I also like the Nikon scopes. I have been leaning toward them for the last few years. I have found that for the money they are very tough to beat. The leupolds of late (Mark 4 and VX-III lines) don't impress me like the older vari-x linedid. I find myself walking over to the Nikon display more and more.
I think it's hit or miss when it comes to Simmons scopes. I would only trust the AETEC line and even then I would watch how it's treated. If you just need a scope to plink around with you can try your luck with them. I have an older Simmons/Deerfield 3x9 on a .30-06 rifle that has yet to let me down so go figure. |
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ORIGINAL: Wayspr sjsfire, If you notice I put "upgraded" in quotes to note that it was not an upgrade. I have never bought anything but Leopold prior to purchasing the Tasco and have since puchased a Monarch. From what I see of the Monarch so far, I see more Nikons in my future. And I understood that "upgraded" Thats why I added the "just kidding" The Tasco I have on my 22 was given to me by a old friend. I'll agree with you....The Nikons are nice scopes for the money, never owned a Leopold though, never had the opportunity to even look through one. |
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ORIGINAL: metaldonnieg I took my Savage .270 that came with one of the 8 point scopes to the range today just for some fun and to continue my quest to have a dead-on scope. It was relatively close to being on the last time I had it out about two months ago. The first shot today didn't even hit the paper (a printed at home target on 8.5x11 paper)at 50 yards. So I bore sighted it using the Chuck Hawks method (I call it that cuz that's where I learned it) where you remove the bolt, look at something and center it in the bore by looking down the inside of the barrell, then adjust the cross hairs. I took another shot and it barely knicked the corner of paper. No big deal, I dialed in my adjustments that should've put it close to the bulls eye and took another shot, which landed about 1/4" right of the previous shot. I was puzzled but I made the necessary adjustments again and fired and this one landed about 1/2" high of the hole made 2 shots ago. Avery acceptablegroup in my opinion for what's going on lolbut it was in a totally worthless place and seemed like it wasn't going anywhere. So the moral of the story is: Apparently those Simmons scopes won't hold 0 and won't adjust. at all. I know it hurts to part with the cash to get a Leupold, Zeiss, Kahles, etc. But generally it is money well spent. In addition, there is NOTHING wrong with the OLD Redfields, the steel-tubed, US-made Weavers, and Lyman All-Americans & Alaskans you can get off e-bay! ALL of these oldies are better than NEW JUNK!! |
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I picked this rifle packageup brand newlast November so it's your call on whether it's a "new model" or not. I honestly do not know.
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I will agree wholeheartedly with Elde on the old Redfields. The lone Redfield I have is from the early 60's and it is one fine scope. All of my new scopes are Nikons though.....very good scopes for the dollars. I bought one Simmons scope in my life...one of the 44 Mags and it was not even half the scope of the early 90's Tasco world class cheapies were. I found somebody nearly as dumb as I was for buyin it and sold it to them...lol.
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I recall back in the 60's when I walked to the gun shop and back, up hill both ways,:D and bought my old Redfield tracker which I am still using today and has stood up to everything its been on including my 416 Rem Mag. Nobody builds them like that anymore IMO.
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You're absolutely right, James.....Not a thing wrong with those old Redfields.... I still have a couple that I use.
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I bought one of the new-style (the Master Series) Simmons Aetecs last year to see what the fuss was all about (several awards, multiple magazine articles, etc.) and put it on a 25-06.
It's a good scope.I was pretty impressed, as were my hunting buddies. And for less than $200, it's comparable in quality to some costing twice that. One of my friends bought one for his new 7mag and swears he won'tgo back toLeupolds. I'm no expert, but the new design (Master Series) is significantly better than the 'old style'. In addition to the Master SeriesAetec, Ialso have a 'regular' Aetec on a .22 and the new ones are noticeably better. I wouldn't consider the Master Series to be 'junk' by any means. |
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I have a 7MM Mag. Savage with the package scope on it and can shoot all day with my friends who would only own a Leapould. I believe there's good ones and bad ones in any make the you buy. Mine has been on my gun for 7 years now. No fog, no loose reticles, no movement from zero.
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RE: for all you people asking about the simmons scopes
ORIGINAL: c j I bought one of the new-style (the Master Series) Simmons Aetecs last year to see what the fuss was all about (several awards, multiple magazine articles, etc.) and put it on a 25-06. It's a good scope.I was pretty impressed, as were my hunting buddies. And for less than $200, it's comparable in quality to some costing twice that. One of my friends bought one for his new 7mag and swears he won'tgo back toLeupolds. I'm no expert, but the new design (Master Series) is significantly better than the 'old style'. In addition to the Master SeriesAetec, Ialso have a 'regular' Aetec on a .22 and the new ones are noticeably better. I wouldn't consider the Master Series to be 'junk' by any means. Glad to hear they work well for people who bought them! |
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I miss the old Aetecs with the 5 inch eye relief. They were indestructible and they lost that feature with the new series. I have yet to try the new series but I stocked up on the old ones when I heard they were changing. When it came to the Aetec, there was nothing broke but they tried to fix it anyway.[:@]
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