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DM 04-05-2007 09:28 AM

Now That Remington Has Been Sold
 
Will it be good or bad for them???

Joseph Gross, Remington Arms Plant Manager, has confirmed that Remington Armshas been sold.
Remington Arms Company, Inc. is the only manufacturer of both firearms and ammunition for Hunting, Law Enforcement/Security, Government & Military applications in the United States.They have announced that it will be acquired by an affiliate of Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. as part of a definitive agreement between Cerberus and RACI Holding, Inc. for an estimated value of $370 million.
Tommy Millner, CEO of Remington said, "This transaction is an acknowledgment of the Remington tradition, its strong brand, and the excellent products built over 191 years through innovation and by our dedicated employees. Further, this new partnership signals our intent to continue the path of enhancing our production capabilities and product offerings, in order to further grow our presence domestically and internationally.
The company expects the transaction to close in June 2007.

trailer 04-05-2007 05:14 PM

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This is interesting. Only time will tell if it was a good move or not...:eek:

Maine Shooter 04-05-2007 05:20 PM

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they evidenatly didn't turn a profit the last few years until last year and even then not by much. This can't hurt.

Rebel Hog 04-05-2007 06:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: DM

Will it be good or bad for them???

Joseph Gross, Remington Arms Plant Manager, has confirmed that Remington Armshas been sold.
Remington Arms Company, Inc. is the only manufacturer of both firearms and ammunition for Hunting, Law Enforcement/Security, Government & Military applications in the United States.They have announced that it will be acquired by an affiliate of Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. as part of a definitive agreement between Cerberus and RACI Holding, Inc. for an estimated value of $370 million.
Tommy Millner, CEO of Remington said, "This transaction is an acknowledgment of the Remington tradition, its strong brand, and the excellent products built over 191 years through innovation and by our dedicated employees. Further, this new partnership signals our intent to continue the path of enhancing our production capabilities and product offerings, in order to further grow our presence domestically and internationally.
The company expects the transaction to close in June 2007.
DM, where can I find this article?

MinnFinn 04-05-2007 07:25 PM

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It sounds like an investment company that purchased Remington. Investment companies may know about making money for themselves in the short-term (e.g. position it for resale at a higher price), but it doesn't mean they know anything about the business they've purchased or running it.
Our corporation sold 1 of the 3 companies we had supported for many years several years back to what sounds to be a similar investment company. They didn't even have an IT organization or technology center to run their systems/apps out of. It took them all of 2 years to figure out enough to build an IT org and tech. center, so they fully run their own business systems. That company is now a shadow of what it once was.
I hope Remington Arms does better and that they have owners who have clue. Otherwise, it's not good.

johnch 04-05-2007 07:28 PM

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The best info on the Remington buyout I have found is from Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aNCow6kFlgig&refer=n ews

Hope they turn it around

Johnch

DM 04-05-2007 07:58 PM

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Check this out... http://www.remington.com/library/press/2007/2007-2.asp

DM

statjunk 04-06-2007 05:40 AM

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I know some folks aren't going to agree with me on this one but I don't think it couldn't get much worse. I see it as a positive.

Tom

James B 04-06-2007 09:28 AM

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As long as they don't change anything I think it will be fine. Leave the best alone.;)

redhead522 04-06-2007 06:37 PM

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$370 million doesn't seem like much for a big name like Remington.

Briman 04-06-2007 06:45 PM

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Cerberus also owns Bushmaster- I don't thinkits hurt a thing for them.

SwampCollie 04-06-2007 07:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: redhead522

$370 million doesn't seem like much for a big name like Remington.
Seems like a lot for a company that has been losing its @$$ for the last decade or so. Maybe this new investment company will start LISTENING to the people who buy their product. Although, for the most part, its too late, because Remington just doesn't make a quality shotgun anymore. Their rifles have been steadily improving lately, but we will see.

markly99 04-06-2007 07:35 PM

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SwampCollie, How can you say they don't make a quality shotgun? Have you ever shot an 870? I own two and love them. Everyone I hunt with owns them also. There is a reason it has been around so long, they are the best pump shotguns.

SwampCollie 04-07-2007 05:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: markly99

SwampCollie, How can you say they don't make a quality shotgun? Have you ever shot an 870? I own two and love them. Everyone I hunt with owns them also. There is a reason it has been around so long, they are the best pump shotguns.
How many 870s do you own markly? I ownfour of them, made from the 1970s, 80s and 90s. You cannot sit there and tell me that a BRAND NEW IN THE BOX 870 EXPRESS is a higher quality gun than an original 70s-80s Wingmaster. The quality on Remington shotguns has gone absolutely in the crapper. I picked up two different semi autos at BPS last time I was there, one of the new 1100 G3s and a 105. Both had crooked ribs, the 1100 was kicked to the right in the back almost a 1/4". How in the heck does Rem expect someone to pay $1000 for that thing when the older, and better made, models are selling used for under $450 all day long? Do you know why it has gone to pot..? Around 2003 or so, Remington stopped letting men build their guns, and started letting machines do it. Well, I would submit that those machines are still having the kinks ironed out of them.

longknife12 04-07-2007 06:07 AM

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I also learned that this same investment group bought Bushmaster on Tuesday........something bout this makes me uneasy......hope I'm wrong.
Dan


ButchA 04-07-2007 06:44 AM

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Same here.... I heard about Remington getting bought out and I just had to sit back and go, "huh?!?" I just hope to God, Remington doesn't end up like Winchester.

Butch A.

Doe Dumper 04-07-2007 07:43 AM

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I gotta agree with the post on the 870's and 1100's. I have several of each from the 60's and 70's and they areabout as solid a piece as u could ever hope to buy. Fit and finish are flawless..beautiful guns! You sure cant buy anything that looks like them now from Remington. They probably function as well but appearance and value wise they wouldnt be close. I have one 870 in particular that has been hunted with every year for over 40 years...still looks and functions like a new one.

Hairtrigger 04-07-2007 07:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: redhead522
$370 million doesn't seem like much for a big name like Remington.
I believe there is also debt that comes with the purchase price.
The investors will want a return on their money, probably soon, so the company will probably make cuts to improve the profit, that usually is not good.

markly99 04-07-2007 07:53 AM

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Swampcollie, I agree completly that an express is not made as well as a wingmaster. I happen to own an express magnum and a wingmaster magnum. I paid around $300 more for the wingmaster so I didn't expect the express to be as pretty as the wingmaster or shoot as well, but I have never had any problems with either gun. They are both very accurate. My dad has a wingmaster that he got when he was a teenager in the 70's and it doesn't look or shoot or feel any different than my wingmaster that I bought three years ago.

As for the semi-auto's you may be right. I personally don't shoot them, never have, probably never will. I was raised shooting pumps and that is what I'm comfortable with. I didn't mean any disrespect by my comments earlier and I appologize if that is the way you took it.

Colorado Luckydog 04-07-2007 07:12 PM

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DM, thanks for the post, its very interesting. We will have to keep an eye on them. Lets hope they do better than Bushnell did when they switched hands! I think almost everyone on here has owned at least one remington in their life, I know I've owned a bunch.

DM 04-08-2007 08:22 AM

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I think almost everyone on here has owned at least one remington in their life, I know I've owned a bunch.
Remingtonfirearms have been very good to me over the years. I've owned all kinds of rifles from pre 64 Wins, to Sauers, Rugers, Sako'sand many more... But, back in the 70's when i decided to build a rifle for myself to crawl around in the alders with, hunting brown bears and other big game, i chose a Rem. 700 action to start with... It's been an excelent choise that has flatten more than it's share of big game, includeing big bears! And here it is,



DM



biscuit jake 04-08-2007 08:31 AM

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Purty. What cartridge?

DM 04-08-2007 07:31 PM

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.338-06, Douglas premium bbl, Leupold 2.5x8 scope, weaver rings.

DM


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